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stu_m
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No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by stu_m » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:03 pm

Description of problem or question:

Hello Handbrake community,

From a blu ray dvd I used Makemkv to produce a folder with a large bmvd file, along with an AACS folder, Certificate folder, and discatt.dat. Then I used Handbrake to make and mp4 of that large file for personal viewing on a new XS iphone.

All of the audio languages I want made it onto the mp4, but none of the subtitles. I tried it several times and can’t get the subs for some reason.

I am using Mac Blu-ray Player version 2.17.2.2614, and the subs are available when I play the blu ray discs, as well as when when I use the player to play the large Makemkv file I created.

I would really appreciate any help.

Thank you.

Steps to reproduce the problem (If Applicable):




HandBrake version (e.g., 1.0.0):

1.2.2 (2019022300)


Operating system and version (e.g., Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, macOS 10.13 High Sierra, Windows 10 Creators Update):

El Capitan 10.11


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HandBrake Activity Log for Session: 2019-07-14T18:57:46Z
Handbrake Version: 1.2.2 (2019022300)
Game Of Thrones Season 6 Disc 1.m4v
Preset: None2 Apple 2160p60 4k for xs
[13:57:46] macgui: QueueCore prevented sleep
[13:57:46] macgui: QueueCore scanning specifically for title: 95
[13:57:46] CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3720QM CPU @ 2.60GHz
[13:57:46]  - Intel microarchitecture Ivy Bridge
[13:57:46]  - logical processor count: 8
[13:57:46] hb_scan: path=/Volumes/3ssd Thrones Bluray Discs 1-3/Game of Thrones Disk 1/GAMEOFTHRONES_S6_DISC1, title_index=95
bdj.c:689: BD-J check: Failed to load JVM library
bdj.c:689: BD-J check: Failed to load JVM library
[13:57:50] scan: BD has 102 title(s)
[13:57:50] bd: scanning title 95
[13:57:50] bd: playlist 00801.MPLS
[13:57:50] bd: duration is 00:53:42 (3222469 ms)
[13:57:50] bd: video id=0x1011, stream type=H.264, format 1080p
[13:57:50] bd: aspect = 16:9
[13:57:50] bd: audio id=0x1100, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng
[13:57:50] bd: audio id=0x761101, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng
[13:57:50] bd: audio id=0x721101, lang=English (TrueHD), 3cc=eng
[13:57:50] bd: audio id=0x1102, lang=Francais (AC3), 3cc=fra
[13:57:50] bd: audio id=0x1103, lang=español (AC3), 3cc=spa
[13:57:50] bd: audio id=0x1104, lang=español (AC3), 3cc=spa
[13:57:50] bd: audio id=0x1105, lang=Deutsch (AC3), 3cc=deu
[13:57:50] bd: audio id=0x1106, lang=Portugues (AC3), 3cc=por
[13:57:50] bd: audio id=0x1107, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x1200, lang=English [PGS], 3cc=eng
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x1201, lang=Francais [PGS], 3cc=fra
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x1202, lang=español [PGS], 3cc=spa
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x1203, lang=español [PGS], 3cc=spa
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x1204, lang=Deutsch [PGS], 3cc=deu
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x1205, lang=Portugues [PGS], 3cc=por
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x1206, lang=Nederlands [PGS], 3cc=nld
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x1207, lang=dansk [PGS], 3cc=dan
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x1208, lang=suomi [PGS], 3cc=fin
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x1209, lang=norsk [PGS], 3cc=nor
[13:57:50] bd: subtitle id=0x120a, lang=svenska [PGS], 3cc=swe
[13:57:50] bd: chap 1 packet=960, 116116 ms
[13:57:50] bd: chap 2 packet=650319168, 335501 ms
[13:57:50] bd: chap 3 packet=2294087424, 798214 ms
[13:57:50] bd: chap 4 packet=6285973632, 487820 ms
[13:57:50] bd: chap 5 packet=8579601984, 572697 ms
[13:57:50] bd: chap 6 packet=11140999104, 340089 ms
[13:57:50] bd: chap 7 packet=12872562624, 492950 ms
[13:57:50] bd: chap 8 packet=14747356992, 78828 ms
[13:57:50] bd: chap 9 packet=14912502336, 250 ms
[13:57:50] bd: title 95 has 9 chapters
[13:57:50] scan: decoding previews for title 95
[13:57:50] scan: title angle(s) 1
[13:57:50] scan: audio 0x1103: ac3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=256000 español (AC3) (2.0 ch) (Dolby Surround)
[13:57:50] scan: audio 0x1106: ac3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=256000 Portugues (AC3) (2.0 ch) (Dolby Surround)
[13:57:50] scan: audio 0x1102: ac3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=448000 Francais (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[13:57:50] scan: audio 0x1105: ac3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=448000 Deutsch (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[13:57:50] scan: audio 0x1107: ac3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=448000 English (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[13:57:50] scan: audio 0x1100: ac3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=640000 English (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[13:57:50] scan: audio 0x761101: ac3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=640000 English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (Dolby Digital EX)
[13:57:50] scan: audio 0x1104: ac3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=640000 español (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[13:57:50] scan: audio 0x721101: truehd, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=128000 English (TrueHD) (7.1 ch)
[13:57:52] scan: 10 previews, 1920x1080, 23.976 fps, autocrop = 0/0/0/174, aspect 16:9, PAR 1:1
[13:57:52] stream: 10 good frames, 0 errors (0%)
[13:57:52] libhb: scan thread found 1 valid title(s)
[13:57:52] macgui: QueueCore scan done
[13:57:52] 1 job(s) to process
[13:57:52] starting job
[13:57:52] macgui: QueueCore started encoding Game Of Thrones Season 6 Disc 1.m4v
[13:57:52] macgui: QueueCore with preset None2 Apple 2160p60 4k for xs
[13:57:52] decomb filter thread started for segment 2
[13:57:52] decomb filter thread started for segment 1
[13:57:52] decomb filter thread started for segment 3
[13:57:52] decomb filter thread started for segment 0
[13:57:52] decomb filter thread started for segment 4
[13:57:52] decomb filter thread started for segment 5
[13:57:52] decomb filter thread started for segment 6
[13:57:52] decomb filter thread started for segment 7
[13:57:52] decomb check thread started for segment 0
[13:57:52] decomb check thread started for segment 1
[13:57:52] decomb check thread started for segment 2
[13:57:52] decomb check thread started for segment 3
[13:57:52] decomb check thread started for segment 4
[13:57:52] decomb check thread started for segment 5
[13:57:52] decomb check thread started for segment 6
[13:57:52] decomb check thread started for segment 7
[13:57:52] mask filter thread started for segment 0
[13:57:52] mask filter thread started for segment 1
[13:57:52] mask filter thread started for segment 2
[13:57:52] mask filter thread started for segment 3
[13:57:52] mask filter thread started for segment 4
[13:57:52] mask filter thread started for segment 5
[13:57:52] mask filter thread started for segment 6
[13:57:52] mask filter thread started for segment 7
[13:57:52] mask erode thread started for segment 0
[13:57:52] mask erode thread started for segment 1
[13:57:52] mask erode thread started for segment 2
[13:57:52] mask erode thread started for segment 3
[13:57:52] mask erode thread started for segment 4
[13:57:52] mask erode thread started for segment 5
[13:57:52] mask erode thread started for segment 6
[13:57:52] mask erode thread started for segment 7
[13:57:52] mask dilate thread started for segment 0
[13:57:52] mask dilate thread started for segment 1
[13:57:52] mask dilate thread started for segment 2
[13:57:52] mask dilate thread started for segment 3
[13:57:52] mask dilate thread started for segment 4
[13:57:52] mask dilate thread started for segment 5
[13:57:52] mask dilate thread started for segment 6
[13:57:52] mask dilate thread started for segment 7
[13:57:52] yadif thread started for segment 0
[13:57:52] yadif thread started for segment 1
[13:57:52] yadif thread started for segment 2
[13:57:52] yadif thread started for segment 3
[13:57:52] yadif thread started for segment 4
[13:57:52] yadif thread started for segment 5
[13:57:52] yadif thread started for segment 6
[13:57:52] yadif thread started for segment 7
[13:57:52] job configuration:
[13:57:52]  * source
[13:57:52]    + /Volumes/3ssd Thrones Bluray Discs 1-3/Game of Thrones Disk 1/GAMEOFTHRONES_S6_DISC1
[13:57:52]    + title 95, chapter(s) 1 to 9
[13:57:52]  * destination
[13:57:52]    + /Users/gsmerrittelcap/Movies/burn in prob?/Game Of Thrones Season 6 Disc 1.m4v
[13:57:52]    + container: MPEG-4 (libavformat)
[13:57:52]      + chapter markers
[13:57:52]  * video track
[13:57:52]    + decoder: h264
[13:57:52]      + bitrate 200 kbps
[13:57:52]    + filters
[13:57:52]      + Comb Detect (mode=3:spatial-metric=2:motion-thresh=1:spatial-thresh=1:filter-mode=2:block-thresh=40:block-width=16:block-height=16)
[13:57:52]      + Decomb (mode=39)
[13:57:52]      + Framerate Shaper (mode=2:rate=27000000/450000)
[13:57:52]        + frame rate: 23.976 fps -> peak rate limited to 60.000 fps
[13:57:52]      + Crop and Scale (width=1746:height=1080:crop-top=0:crop-bottom=0:crop-left=0:crop-right=174)
[13:57:52]        + source: 1920 * 1080, crop (0/0/0/174): 1746 * 1080, scale: 1746 * 1080
[13:57:52]    + Output geometry
[13:57:52]      + storage dimensions: 1746 x 1080
[13:57:52]      + pixel aspect ratio: 1 : 1
[13:57:52]      + display dimensions: 1746 x 1080
[13:57:52]  * Foreign Audio Search: Passthrough, Forced Only, Default
[13:57:52]    + subtitle, English [PGS] (track 0, id 0x1200, Picture)
bdj.c:689: BD-J check: Failed to load JVM library
bdj.c:689: BD-J check: Failed to load JVM library
[13:57:55] sync: expecting 77261 video frames
[14:00:02] bd: End of title
[14:00:02] reader: done. 1 scr changes
[14:00:02] work: average encoding speed for job is 0.000000 fps
[14:00:02] comb detect: heavy 0 | light 0 | uncombed 0 | total 0
[14:00:02] decomb: deinterlaced 0 | blended 0 | unfiltered 0 | total 0
[14:00:02] vfr: 0 frames output, 0 dropped and 0 duped for CFR/PFR
[14:00:02] vfr: lost time: 0 (0 frames)
[14:00:02] vfr: gained time: 0 (0 frames) (0 not accounted for)
[14:00:02] stream: 77262 good frames, 0 errors (0%)
[14:00:02] h264-decoder done: 0 frames, 1 decoder errors
[14:00:02] sync: got 0 frames, 77261 expected
[14:00:02] Subtitle track 0 (id 0x1200) 'English [PGS]': 570 hits (0 forced)
[14:00:02] No candidate detected during subtitle scan
[14:00:02] starting job
[14:00:02] decomb filter thread started for segment 1
[14:00:02] decomb filter thread started for segment 0
[14:00:02] decomb filter thread started for segment 2
[14:00:02] decomb filter thread started for segment 4
[14:00:02] decomb filter thread started for segment 3
[14:00:02] decomb filter thread started for segment 5
[14:00:02] decomb filter thread started for segment 6
[14:00:02] decomb filter thread started for segment 7
[14:00:02] decomb check thread started for segment 0
[14:00:02] decomb check thread started for segment 1
[14:00:02] decomb check thread started for segment 2
[14:00:02] decomb check thread started for segment 3
[14:00:02] decomb check thread started for segment 4
[14:00:02] decomb check thread started for segment 5
[14:00:02] decomb check thread started for segment 6
[14:00:02] decomb check thread started for segment 7
[14:00:02] mask filter thread started for segment 0
[14:00:02] mask filter thread started for segment 1
[14:00:02] mask filter thread started for segment 2
[14:00:02] mask filter thread started for segment 3
[14:00:02] mask filter thread started for segment 4
[14:00:02] mask filter thread started for segment 5
[14:00:02] mask filter thread started for segment 6
[14:00:02] mask filter thread started for segment 7
[14:00:02] mask erode thread started for segment 0
[14:00:02] mask erode thread started for segment 1
[14:00:02] mask erode thread started for segment 2
[14:00:02] mask erode thread started for segment 3
[14:00:02] mask erode thread started for segment 4
[14:00:02] mask erode thread started for segment 5
[14:00:02] mask erode thread started for segment 6
[14:00:02] mask erode thread started for segment 7
[14:00:02] mask dilate thread started for segment 0
[14:00:02] mask dilate thread started for segment 1
[14:00:02] mask dilate thread started for segment 2
[14:00:02] mask dilate thread started for segment 3
[14:00:02] mask dilate thread started for segment 4
[14:00:02] mask dilate thread started for segment 5
[14:00:02] mask dilate thread started for segment 6
[14:00:02] mask dilate thread started for segment 7
[14:00:02] yadif thread started for segment 0
[14:00:02] yadif thread started for segment 1
[14:00:02] yadif thread started for segment 2
[14:00:02] yadif thread started for segment 3
[14:00:02] yadif thread started for segment 4
[14:00:02] yadif thread started for segment 5
[14:00:02] yadif thread started for segment 6
[14:00:02] yadif thread started for segment 7
[14:00:02] job configuration:
[14:00:02]  * source
[14:00:02]    + /Volumes/3ssd Thrones Bluray Discs 1-3/Game of Thrones Disk 1/GAMEOFTHRONES_S6_DISC1
[14:00:02]    + title 95, chapter(s) 1 to 9
[14:00:02]  * destination
[14:00:02]    + /Users/gsmerrittelcap/Movies/burn in prob?/Game Of Thrones Season 6 Disc 1.m4v
[14:00:02]    + container: MPEG-4 (libavformat)
[14:00:02]      + chapter markers
[14:00:02]  * video track
[14:00:02]    + decoder: h264
[14:00:02]      + bitrate 200 kbps
[14:00:02]    + filters
[14:00:02]      + Comb Detect (mode=3:spatial-metric=2:motion-thresh=1:spatial-thresh=1:filter-mode=2:block-thresh=40:block-width=16:block-height=16)
[14:00:02]      + Decomb (mode=39)
[14:00:02]      + Framerate Shaper (mode=2:rate=27000000/450000)
[14:00:02]        + frame rate: 23.976 fps -> peak rate limited to 60.000 fps
[14:00:02]      + Crop and Scale (width=1746:height=1080:crop-top=0:crop-bottom=0:crop-left=0:crop-right=174)
[14:00:02]        + source: 1920 * 1080, crop (0/0/0/174): 1746 * 1080, scale: 1746 * 1080
[14:00:02]    + Output geometry
[14:00:02]      + storage dimensions: 1746 x 1080
[14:00:02]      + pixel aspect ratio: 1 : 1
[14:00:02]      + display dimensions: 1746 x 1080
[14:00:02]    + encoder: H.265 (libx265)
[14:00:02]      + preset:  slow
[14:00:02]      + options: strong-intra-smoothing=0:rect=0
[14:00:02]      + profile: main
[14:00:02]      + quality: 24.00 (RF)
[14:00:02]      + color profile: 1-1-1
[14:00:02]  * audio track 1
[14:00:02]    + decoder: English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 1, id 0x1100)
[14:00:02]      + bitrate: 640 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[14:00:02]    + AC3 Passthru
[14:00:02]  * audio track 2
[14:00:02]    + decoder: English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (Dolby Digital EX) (track 2, id 0x761101)
[14:00:02]      + bitrate: 640 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[14:00:02]    + AC3 Passthru
[14:00:02]  * audio track 3
[14:00:02]    + decoder: Francais (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 4, id 0x1102)
[14:00:02]      + bitrate: 448 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[14:00:02]    + AC3 Passthru
[14:00:02]  * audio track 4
[14:00:02]    + decoder: español (AC3) (2.0 ch) (Dolby Surround) (track 5, id 0x1103)
[14:00:02]      + bitrate: 256 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[14:00:02]    + AC3 Passthru
[14:00:02]  * audio track 5
[14:00:02]    + decoder: español (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 6, id 0x1104)
[14:00:02]      + bitrate: 640 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[14:00:02]    + AC3 Passthru
[14:00:02]  * audio track 6
[14:00:02]    + decoder: Portugues (AC3) (2.0 ch) (Dolby Surround) (track 8, id 0x1106)
[14:00:02]      + bitrate: 256 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[14:00:02]    + AC3 Passthru
bdj.c:689: BD-J check: Failed to load JVM library
bdj.c:689: BD-J check: Failed to load JVM library
[14:00:05] sync: expecting 77261 video frames
x265 [info]: HEVC encoder version 2.9
x265 [info]: build info [Mac OS X][clang 10.0.0][64 bit] 8bit+10bit+12bit
x265 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.2 AVX
x265 [info]: Main profile, Level-4 (Main tier)
x265 [info]: Thread pool created using 8 threads
x265 [info]: Slices                              : 1
x265 [info]: frame threads / pool features       : 3 / wpp(17 rows)
x265 [info]: Coding QT: max CU size, min CU size : 64 / 8
x265 [info]: Residual QT: max TU size, max depth : 32 / 1 inter / 1 intra
x265 [info]: ME / range / subpel / merge         : star / 57 / 3 / 3
x265 [info]: Keyframe min / max / scenecut / bias: 24 / 240 / 40 / 5.00
x265 [info]: Lookahead / bframes / badapt        : 25 / 4 / 2
x265 [info]: b-pyramid / weightp / weightb       : 1 / 1 / 0
x265 [info]: References / ref-limit  cu / depth  : 4 / on / on
x265 [info]: AQ: mode / str / qg-size / cu-tree  : 1 / 1.0 / 32 / 1
x265 [info]: Rate Control / qCompress            : CRF-24.0 / 0.60
x265 [info]: tools: limit-modes rd=4 psy-rd=2.00 rdoq=2 psy-rdoq=1.00 rskip
x265 [info]: tools: signhide tmvp lslices=4 deblock sao
[14:00:06] sync: first pts video is 0
[14:00:06] sync: "Chapter 1" (1) at frame 1 time 0
[14:00:06] sync: first pts audio 0x1100 is 0
[14:00:06] sync: first pts audio 0x761101 is 0
[14:00:06] sync: first pts audio 0x1102 is 0
[14:00:06] sync: first pts audio 0x1103 is 0
[14:00:06] sync: first pts audio 0x1104 is 0
[14:00:06] sync: first pts audio 0x1106 is 0
[14:10:47] sync: "Chapter 2" (2) at frame 2776 time 10416656
[14:27:55] sync: "Chapter 3" (3) at frame 10828 time 40641851
[15:05:08] sync: "Chapter 4" (4) at frame 29966 time 112481118
[15:33:07] sync: "Chapter 5" (5) at frame 41662 time 156384978
[15:59:22] sync: "Chapter 6" (6) at frame 55393 time 207927720
[16:20:14] sync: "Chapter 7" (7) at frame 63547 time 238535797
[16:51:21] sync: "Chapter 8" (8) at frame 75366 time 282901368
[16:52:59] bd: End of title
[16:52:59] reader: done. 1 scr changes
[16:53:26] work: average encoding speed for job is 7.443156 fps
[16:53:26] comb detect: heavy 3 | light 165 | uncombed 77094 | total 77262
[16:53:26] decomb: deinterlaced 3 | blended 165 | unfiltered 77094 | total 77262
[16:53:26] vfr: 77262 frames output, 0 dropped and 0 duped for CFR/PFR
[16:53:26] vfr: lost time: 0 (0 frames)
[16:53:26] vfr: gained time: 0 (0 frames) (0 not accounted for)
[16:53:26] stream: 77262 good frames, 0 errors (0%)
[16:53:26] ac3-decoder done: 100703 frames, 0 decoder errors
[16:53:26] ac3-decoder done: 100703 frames, 0 decoder errors
[16:53:26] ac3-decoder done: 100703 frames, 0 decoder errors
[16:53:26] ac3-decoder done: 100703 frames, 0 decoder errors
[16:53:26] ac3-decoder done: 100703 frames, 0 decoder errors
[16:53:26] ac3-decoder done: 100703 frames, 0 decoder errors
[16:53:26] h264-decoder done: 77262 frames, 0 decoder errors
[16:53:26] sync: got 77262 frames, 77261 expected
[16:53:26] sync: framerate min 23.981 fps, max 23.981 fps, avg 23.976 fps
x265 [info]: frame I:    732, Avg QP:21.16  kb/s: 7320.54 
x265 [info]: frame P:  21370, Avg QP:23.21  kb/s: 1780.28 
x265 [info]: frame B:  55160, Avg QP:28.40  kb/s: 500.25  
x265 [info]: Weighted P-Frames: Y:5.3% UV:3.5%
x265 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 5.0% 2.2% 55.4% 13.1% 24.3% 

encoded 77262 frames in 10400.82s (7.43 fps), 918.91 kb/s, Avg QP:26.90
[16:53:26] mux: track 0, 77262 frames, 370454511 bytes, 919.67 kbps, fifo 1024
[16:53:26] mux: track 1, 100703 frames, 257799680 bytes, 640.00 kbps, fifo 1024
[16:53:26] mux: track 2, 100703 frames, 257799680 bytes, 640.00 kbps, fifo 1024
[16:53:26] mux: track 3, 100703 frames, 180459776 bytes, 448.00 kbps, fifo 1024
[16:53:26] mux: track 4, 100703 frames, 103119872 bytes, 256.00 kbps, fifo 1024
[16:53:26] mux: track 5, 100703 frames, 257799680 bytes, 640.00 kbps, fifo 1024
[16:53:26] mux: track 6, 100703 frames, 103119872 bytes, 256.00 kbps, fifo 1024
[16:53:26] libhb: work result = 0


Woodstock
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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by Woodstock » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:13 pm

PGS subtitles cannot be put into an MP4 file; They can only be burned in.

If you want switchable subtitles, you'll have to output MKV files.

stu_m
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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by stu_m » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:23 pm

Woodstock wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:13 pm
PGS subtitles cannot be put into an MP4 file; They can only be burned in.

If you want switchable subtitles, you'll have to output MKV files.
Thank you Woodstock. Will I use Handbrake to do that? And what kind of file size will be produced?

Woodstock
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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by Woodstock » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:43 pm

To create an MKV file instead of an MP4, select MKV from the Format: pulldown on the summary page. That will open up the options as far as audio and subtitle codecs that can be included.

The downside is that not all playback software and devices support MKV files. You cannot play them on Apple devices with Apple software, because Apple excludes MKV support. You WILL need a third-party player, but they're available for just about everything Apple sells.

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by stu_m » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:20 pm

Woodstock wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:43 pm
To create an MKV file instead of an MP4, select MKV from the Format: pulldown on the summary page. That will open up the options as far as audio and subtitle codecs that can be included.

The downside is that not all playback software and devices support MKV files. You cannot play them on Apple devices with Apple software, because Apple excludes MKV support. You WILL need a third-party player, but they're available for just about everything Apple sells.
Okay thanks again. I found the MKV option, and the Handbrake job is underway. Below is from the now-running summary page:

Title 99 - 00:58:20 - 00807.MPLS
Preset: Apple 2160p60 4K HEVC Surround (Modified)

H.265 (x265), 60 FPS PFR
AC3 Passthru
AC3 Passthru
+ 5 additional audio tracks
Foreign Audio Search
0: English [PGS]
+ 4 additional subtitles tracks
Chapter Markers

Filters: Comb Detect, Decomb
Size: 1920x1080 Storage, 1920x1080 Display

I hope that's all alright, or even optimal I chose the Preset under "Devices" for the iphone I'm gonna get to get today or tomorrow. I wonder if it is overkill. (I'm also probably gonna get a tablet of some kind capable of 4k at some point). I chose AC3 Passthru whenever I could, as recommended on a thread in the Handbrake forum.

As far as 3rd party software, I am a fan of VLC. Any other suggestions?

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by stu_m » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:21 pm

Yes...Success! I tried several of the audio and subtitle tracks, all working with VLC on Macbook Pro. To be soon transferred to new iphone. Thank you woodstock. I have other issues and questions, but I'll post a new thread, to keep things separated.

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by Woodstock » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:24 pm

I use VLC on computers. It has its limitations and bugs, but it's useful enough for me.

Have tried several times to figure out Kodi; lots of people rave about it, but I think it's because they lost their minds, and raving is all they have left. Apparently it's very easy to use if you're trying to play a pirate video via bittorrent, but trying to get it to play LAN-hosted video requires plug-ins and magical incantations that I haven't found. And getting it to allow both VOB and PGS subtitle streams to work is theoretically possible - I've seen websites that say so - but I have never actually SEEN it work.

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by stu_m » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:38 pm

Ok, I'll just stick w/ VLC. I am up and running now thanks to you. So, thank you!

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by jchh » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:53 am

Hi all,

Please excuse my ignorance...

If I read the above correctly, PBS subtitles cannot be stored in an .mp4 container. OK.

I have a .mp4 files with (according to MediaInfo) "Timed Text (sbtl) in them. Is it possible for Handbrake to convert "DVB subtitles" to "Timed text (sbtl)" when converting MPEG-TS in a .ts file to .mp4? I have been unable to make it work, but is it possible?

thanks,
James.

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by video.baba » Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:40 pm

jchh wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:53 am
I have a .mp4 files with (according to MediaInfo) "Timed Text (sbtl) in them. Is it possible for Handbrake to convert "DVB subtitles" to "Timed text (sbtl)" when converting MPEG-TS in a .ts file to .mp4? I have been unable to make it work, but is it possible?
No.

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by Woodstock » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:54 pm

The problem with PGS subtitles is that they are graphic images; Timed Text is text only.

To convert from PGS to any text format, you need to use tools that will examine the image, attempt to recognize the characters found there, and write a text file. This is deliberately not part of handbrake for several reasons.

The big one being, Optical Character Recognition is not an exact science yet, and they've been working on it for decades. PGS subtitle images present an almost ideal recognition environment... a clean source picture. And yet, accuracy is still just "upper 90's" percentage. For those who really care about this sort of thing, they'll use one of the subtitle OCR tools that exist, then examine the generated SRT file and make corrections. The result is still going to be crude; SRT subtitles are only slightly more advanced than Closed Captioning.

Who do you complain to when OCR isn't good enough? The authors of the program, not the authors of the library that did the (alleged inadequate) work. We don't need the handbrake developers wasting time on things they aren't experts in.

If you have playback tools that understand MKV files, the problem of an aged, inadequate packaging standard disappears.

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by jchh » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:28 am

Woodstock wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:54 pm
The problem with PGS subtitles is that they are graphic images; Timed Text is text only.
Thanks for tour quick answer!

I wrote at the beginning "please excuse my ignorance"- I did not know that DVB Subtitles were graphic images.

I don't know what PGS means and what its relationship is to DVB subtitles. I have been googling that acronym since reading your answer.

I get your point about OCR although the text looks pretty clean so I am surprised to hear that OCR is only at 90%. Many scanning apps simply call a dedicated external OCR module; for example mine uses ABBYY which has excellent accuracy.

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by jchh » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:29 am

video.baba wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:40 pm
jchh wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:53 am
I have a .mp4 files with (according to MediaInfo) "Timed Text (sbtl) in them. Is it possible for Handbrake to convert "DVB subtitles" to "Timed text (sbtl)" when converting MPEG-TS in a .ts file to .mp4? I have been unable to make it work, but is it possible?
No.
Thanks for clarifying, video.baba.

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by video.baba » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:58 am

jchh wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:29 am
Thanks for clarifying, video.baba.
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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by Woodstock » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:49 pm

"Upper 90's" in this case usually means around 98% or so. I've seen OCR software do "better than 99%", but nothing that does 100% with any complex text. This is especially true when the source material uses slang that isn't in the OCR software's dictionary. For example, the Japanese word "otaku", if it appears in English text, might be "corrected" to "outtake", even if the OCR software clearly saw and decoded the correct letters.

Some DVDs and Bluray disks do include text-based subtitles. Other than Closed Captioning in the video stream, it is rare, though. DVDs typically use "VOBSUB" subtitles, and BDs use "PGS", both of which are pictures, not text. Technically, neither is supported in MP4, but there is a popular (but unofficial) extension to MP4 to allow VOBSUB subtitles to work in some players. Apple's programs may or may not, depending on the program.

No such extension exists for PGS subtitles, though.

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by jchh » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:27 am

video.baba wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:58 am
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I worked/lived in Shenyang (Liaoning province) for 2 years and learned a little Mandarin whilst there, so do recognise that :-)

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by jchh » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:30 am

Woodstock wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:49 pm
"...but nothing that does 100% with any complex text. This is especially true when the source material uses slang that isn't in the OCR software's dictionary. For example, the Japanese word "otaku", if it appears in English text, might be "corrected" to "outtake", even if the OCR software clearly saw and decoded the correct letters.
Yes, good point - I hadn't thought of that.

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Re: No Subtitles on mp4s I created with Hankbrake

Post by video.baba » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:49 am

jchh wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:27 am
video.baba wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:58 am
不客氣 (bú kèqì)
I worked/lived in Shenyang (Liaoning province) for 2 years and learned a little Mandarin whilst there, so do recognise that :-)
Ahh, DongBei, nice. Respect. :)

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