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jlw4049
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Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by jlw4049 »

I have tried to reduce to core with DTS Passthrough when using a DTS-HD source and it always just copies the DTS-HD source. Is this something I'm doing wrong or does handbrake simply not reduce to core?
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by rollin_eng »

Could you please post your HB logs, instructions can be found here:

https://handbrake.fr/docs/en/latest/hel ... y-log.html
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by jlw4049 »

I will post my log. I was just wondering if handbrake supported DTS-HD to DTS core extraction? I don't read anywhere in the documentation that it does. If it does then I'll post my logs for sure!
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by JohnAStebbins »

Yes, HandBrake does. The core is identified as a separate "DTS" track in the source audio list in HandBrake.
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by JohnAStebbins »

I should qualify, this only works with transport streams where they have provided DTS and the HD extensions on separate PIDs
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by jlw4049 »

Well every source that I've tested, off of BluRay rips that I do myself, it has never gave me the option to use the DTS when there is DTS-HD. The only thing it will usually show is the DTS-HD, never seperate.

I usually have to pull the core with MKVTOOLNIX. I have tried on several occasions to just do the core passthrough (dts) it always just copies over the DTS-HD.

EDIT: Just tested again, selected the DTS-HD source, because there is no DTS source btw, and it defaults to the fallback encoder I'm assuming AC3~640kbps.
Last edited by jlw4049 on Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by Deleted User 11865 »

MakeMKV can also extract the DTS core from Blu-ray sources.
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by JohnAStebbins »

Well every source that I've tested, off of BluRay rips that I do myself, it has never gave me the option to use the DTS when there is DTS-HD. The only thing it will usually show is the DTS-HD, never seperate.
Which is why we need to see a log. I just tried it. It works as advertised.
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by mduell »

We should mention that at the top of the page in something. In bold colored text maybe.
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by JohnAStebbins »

FYI, in the log it will look something like this

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[14:25:29] bd: audio id=0x711100, lang=English (DTS), 3cc=eng
[14:25:29] bd: audio id=0x1100, lang=English (DTS-HD MA), 3cc=eng
Notice the similarity in the 'id'. For the DTS core, the id is composed of the PID and the mpeg substream id. For the full DTS-HD it is just the PID.
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

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HandBrake 1.2.2 (2019022800)
OS: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.17763.0
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Processor          
Ram: 16334 MB, 
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Screen: 1920x1080
Temp Dir: C:\Users\jlwServer\AppData\Local\Temp\
Install Dir: C:\Program Files\HandBrake
Data Dir: C:\Users\jlwServer\AppData\Roaming\HandBrake

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[17:53:37]  - logical processor count: 16
[17:53:37] Intel Quick Sync Video support: no
[17:53:37] hb_scan: path=F:\Downloads\ace ventura\ave ventura.mkv, title_index=1
udfread ERROR: ECMA 167 Volume Recognition failed
src/libbluray/disc/disc.c:323: failed opening UDF image F:\Downloads\ace ventura\ave ventura.mkv
src/libbluray/disc/disc.c:424: error opening file BDMV\index.bdmv
src/libbluray/disc/disc.c:424: error opening file BDMV\BACKUP\index.bdmv
[17:53:37] bd: not a bd - trying as a stream/file instead
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libdvdread:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed
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[17:53:38] sync: first pts audio 0x1 is 0
jlw4049
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

Post by jlw4049 »

The only options available are DTS-HD in the audio track and an AC3 commentary track. There is no DTS track. If I select DTS passthrough it just falls back to the AC3 encoder.

Again I can pull the dts from this dts-hd track out with mkvtoolnix. So I would love to be able to do it with hand brake.
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Re: Reduce to core from DTS-HD to DTS?

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Are you using MakeMKV to rip? HandBrake doesn't know how to extract the DTS core from an mkv track. The mechanism is different than for a transport stream (which is the BD format). If you use MakeMKV's disc backup option (instead of output to mkv) HandBrake can separate that DTS core from DTS-HD. As Rodeo said, MakeMKV can also separate out the DTS core into the mkv for you prior to running it through HandBrake.
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