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CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:54 am
by linuxuser
I want to build a new system, using ECC-RAM. That has not do with handbrake. It can be AMD or Intel. It looks like with AMD the options are very limited regarding a board with ECC (Asus only?). So I am looking to Intel and I think Xeon-cpus could be an option, which are more expensive of course. For the moment I want to pay about 400-500€ for the board and the cpu.

Does anyone have a link to benchmarks re handbrake an Xeon, so I can see if I get the same percentage of more speed compared to the price of an AMD system?

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:24 pm
by mduell
AMD is a joke, Xeon E3-1241 v3 is pretty much the only option in your price range.

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:30 pm
by Rodeo

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:42 pm
by linuxuser
What do you think about ASRock X99 Extreme4 and E5-1620 v3? It is a little bit over my price range.

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:51 pm
by Rodeo
Should be a solid performer. Generally speaking, the recommended processor for HandBrake (or any software that uses x264 for video encoding) would be a 4-to-6 core Intel processor clocked as high as you can afford.

Depending on your encoding habits (archival vs. throwaway encodes for use on e.g. mobile devices), getting a processor with Quick Sync Video hardware may be worthwhile (compression efficiency can't rival x264 when using slow settings, but QSV is quite fast and energy-efficient, so it's a pretty good alternative when compression efficiency isn't the primary goal). We don't yet support QSV under Linux (Windows-only for now), though this should hopefully change soon.

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:28 pm
by linuxuser
How much do you think ECC-RAM decreases speed?

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:07 pm
by linuxuser
As a minor question, does it make sense for the future, if a Nvidia GT610 or GT720 graphics adapter is used, or should I even think to spend more money for the graphics card. I use kdenlive for video cutting.

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:09 pm
by mduell
No. Graphics cards are useless for HandBrake.

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:48 pm
by linuxuser
Graphics cards are useless for HandBrake.

Is there a chance, that it changes?

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:55 pm
by Woodstock
At this time, only the Intel QSV acceleration is supported. And it has its compromises. Best quality is going to be with the software encoders.

From what has been posted here, there isn't anyone willing to support other hardware right now, and the GPU acceleration does not do much in any case.

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:24 pm
by linuxuser
Thanks for you explanation!

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:05 am
by nhyone
linuxuser wrote:What do you think about ASRock X99 Extreme4 and E5-1620 v3? It is a little bit over my price range.
Does this motherboard support the low-end Celerons, Pentiums and i3? Some of them support ECC RAM as well, right?

Based on some benchmarks I seen, ECC RAM should be very close to normal RAM, even in memory benchmarks. IIRC, buffered ECC RAM is slower, but those are for high-end workstations only.

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:29 am
by linuxuser
I want to use ZFS for a few partitions, not encoding and a lot people think ECC is better then.

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:04 pm
by Woodstock
Just a reminder... whatever you put together, make sure you get the cooling right. You don't want the BIOS cutting back on your speed because the CPU hits its temp limits during long encodes.

(I forgot to turn on my auxiliary cooling fan on one of my computers during the current encode... even with a massive heat sink, moving the hot air out of the case makes a 6C difference. need to put a thermal sensor on the stupid thing....)

Re: CPU-recommendation with ECC-RAM?

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:30 am
by nhyone
ECC RAM is nice -- some even say essential -- but there is very little real-world data. I am looking for empirical data myself.

Even on PCs that support ECC RAM, the OS typically does not show the number of soft errors, which is what we are interested in.

Well, googling seems to indicate that on Linux, the errors are logged to mcelog. (At least this is true for RHEL 6.x.)

Results:
11 out of 81 PCs have non-zero mcelog. Out of the 11, 4 have memory scrubbing errors, which I think means an ECC soft error. 3 of them are bad RAM -- the errors are logged within a short span of time. Which means only one is real, and it occurs only once. These PCs have 12 - 64 GB RAM and have been running mostly 24/7 for 1-2+ years.


Updated: changed from 3 to 4. I counted wrongly. :oops: