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Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:29 am
by brianlees
Can I tell you I just peed my pants a little bit in excitement over all this thread! I have been holding off on the AppleTV until we could easily get good surround without modding. I think I may die of anticipation for this.

Of course, getting laid off by a backstabbing CIO doesn't help me convince the wife that we need to purchase an aTV or two...but I'm working on that angle.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:46 am
by nightstrm
ragboy wrote:OK, I think I found a bug. I just happened to grab HERO for some testing, and having sync issues. But just to make sure it wasn't just HERO, I grabbed like 5 other movies, pretty much randomly. They all synced great, work in iTunes, and both atvs, analog and hdmi. But I reencoded HERO again, with svn version 1289, and the aac and ac3 audio are definitely out of sync. The only difference, I think, is the subtitles. This is the only movie I have turned subtitles on. I am doing a second encode, using english audio, and no subtitles, and see what happens. I see 1294 is ready, but from log, don't see any changes that would effect sync, could be wrong.

I am on Mac Pro 2008 with 10 gigs ram, running 10.5.2.
Can you post a copy of the activity log for one of these bad encodes? That would be most helpful in order to determine what exactly happened.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:56 am
by ragboy
nightstrm wrote:
ragboy wrote:OK, I think I found a bug. I just happened to grab HERO for some testing, and having sync issues. But just to make sure it wasn't just HERO, I grabbed like 5 other movies, pretty much randomly. They all synced great, work in iTunes, and both atvs, analog and hdmi. But I reencoded HERO again, with svn version 1289, and the aac and ac3 audio are definitely out of sync. The only difference, I think, is the subtitles. This is the only movie I have turned subtitles on. I am doing a second encode, using english audio, and no subtitles, and see what happens. I see 1294 is ready, but from log, don't see any changes that would effect sync, could be wrong.

I am on Mac Pro 2008 with 10 gigs ram, running 10.5.2.
Can you post a copy of the activity log for one of these bad encodes? That would be most helpful in order to determine what exactly happened.
Sure, you want me to post right in this thread?

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:58 am
by nightstrm
ragboy wrote:
nightstrm wrote:
ragboy wrote:OK, I think I found a bug. I just happened to grab HERO for some testing, and having sync issues. But just to make sure it wasn't just HERO, I grabbed like 5 other movies, pretty much randomly. They all synced great, work in iTunes, and both atvs, analog and hdmi. But I reencoded HERO again, with svn version 1289, and the aac and ac3 audio are definitely out of sync. The only difference, I think, is the subtitles. This is the only movie I have turned subtitles on. I am doing a second encode, using english audio, and no subtitles, and see what happens. I see 1294 is ready, but from log, don't see any changes that would effect sync, could be wrong.

I am on Mac Pro 2008 with 10 gigs ram, running 10.5.2.
Can you post a copy of the activity log for one of these bad encodes? That would be most helpful in order to determine what exactly happened.
Sure, you want me to post right in this thread?
I would use a service like pastebin.ca and post a link to the page in the thread.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:05 am
by ragboy
Not a problem, I have my own server farm, and .Mac. Here is the log of JUST that one problem one. I am also redoing 2 more, one with same audio, no subs, one with english audio no subs. I can send you log of those when done. Only takes 40 mins for 2 pass on this beast. ;-)

http://homepage.mac.com/ragboy/misc/hb_ ... ro_sub.log

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:08 am
by ragboy
Another encode with english DD 5.1, and no subs, out of sync by same amount. The only thing I can think that might make this DVD any different than the others I tested, it had DTS as primary audio. I have another, Open Range, that has DTS as primary, I will test that. Let me know if you need anything else.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:45 pm
by Cavalicious
Um...we need you to not use DTS.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:57 pm
by ragboy
Cavalicious wrote:Um...we need you to not use DTS.
Umm, I know that. I mean that the hero primary track is DTS chinese. I don't use that, I use the DD 5.1 Chinese with the english sub, and it is out of sync. Then I tried the dd 5.1 english, without sub, and also out of sync. But I haven't seen this on any other dvd, just sync issue on this one. I am pretty sure I had encoded hero before with 0.9.1 without issue, but I would probably have to try that to be sure.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:30 pm
by saverio
Hi everyone. You are fantastic!!! I'm eager to try the definitive 9.2!

I have a question. Living in a non-english country, the fact that TV can switch between two different audio tracks (AAC and DD) means that one can have both the original language track (maybe the one in high quality) and the spanish one (in AAC) and select the one to hear by just enabling or disabling AC3.

Will we be able to select different audio tracks for the AAC and the DD parts, or we will choose just one track and have the two versions in the file?
May I choose english DD and spanish AAC?
This, along with some .srt support on TV, will solve every desire I have.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:38 pm
by sbalthazor
ragboy wrote:Another encode with english DD 5.1, and no subs, out of sync by same amount.
Are you doing this straight from the DVD or have you ripped it down first? I was having a similar problem with 3:10 to Yuma with it being off by about 2-3 seconds for the AC3 (while the AAC was perfectly in sync), but once I ripped it using AnyDVD and ran that through (as opposed to straight from the disc) it worked perfect.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:56 pm
by kagharaht
0.9.2!!! Thank you HB-TEAM! It's Christmas in Feb for HB users. :D

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:28 pm
by exodar
I haven't seen this question in the General or Mac forum so I am asking it here. Why is the new HandBrake only compatible with 10.5? Is there a way to compile it for 10.4.11? There are still quite a few of us that are not Leopard users that would like to start compiling AC3 passthru in our movies.

Thanks in advance...

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:31 pm
by s55
Why is the new HandBrake only compatible with 10.5?
Technical reasons
Is there a way to compile it for 10.4.11?
Nope
There are still quite a few of us that are not Leopard users that would like to start compiling AC3 passthru in our movies.
Upgrade to 10.5 or live without.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:32 pm
by exodar
Thanks for the quick response. Unfortunately I have some software that still won't work in Leopard so I guess I have some decisions to make :(

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:34 pm
by flybynight
sbalthazor wrote:... once I ripped it using AnyDVD and ran that through (as opposed to straight from the disc) it worked perfect.
Is there an equivalent to AnyDVD for the Mac? Mac the Ripper seems to be rather out of date, and I'd like to avoid installing Windows on my Mac. Thanks for any info!

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:44 pm
by sbalthazor
flybynight wrote:
sbalthazor wrote:... once I ripped it using AnyDVD and ran that through (as opposed to straight from the disc) it worked perfect.
Is there an equivalent to AnyDVD for the Mac? Mac the Ripper seems to be rather out of date, and I'd like to avoid installing Windows on my Mac. Thanks for any info!
I use AnyDVD in a Parallels Window on my Mac as opposed to doing a full boot camp (specifically because I found too many issues with MTR on stuff).

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:04 pm
by mactivist
flybynight wrote:
sbalthazor wrote:... once I ripped it using AnyDVD and ran that through (as opposed to straight from the disc) it worked perfect.
Is there an equivalent to AnyDVD for the Mac? Mac the Ripper seems to be rather out of date, and I'd like to avoid installing Windows on my Mac. Thanks for any info!
The public domain version of MTR may be out of date, but 3.014M is as good as anything. But you have to pay for it.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:06 pm
by quagga
My test encode using a modified iPod High (with anamorphic/crf/surround sound works great on both the iPod Touch and the AppleTV).

Cavalicious or nightstrm, I don't suppose either of you would be willing to add/updating your settings in the best settings thread in General?

I have been encoding with a slightly modified version of Cavalicous's settings but they're going to have to change and everything be re-encoded for the Grand Unified Preset :).

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:18 pm
by Cavalicious
quagga wrote:My test encode using a modified iPod High (with anamorphic/crf/surround sound works great on both the iPod Touch and the AppleTV).

Cavalicious or nightstrm, I don't suppose either of you would be willing to add/updating your settings in the best settings thread in General?

I have been encoding with a slightly modified version of Cavalicous's settings but they're going to have to change and everything be re-encoded for the Grand Unified Preset :).
I'm looking at some slight changes, but for the touch, nightstrm is you man...er...person.

I'll post something when I get time to actually do some testing.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:53 am
by sbalthazor
I'm also interested nightstrm if you'll post what you're using for the 'one encode to rule them all' in the 'best settings' thread.

Great job to the developers - my aTV's have never sounded so good!

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:24 am
by nightstrm
I will post mine in a couple minutes after I get things settled.

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:28 am
by brianlees
quagga wrote:My test encode using a modified iPod High (with anamorphic/crf/surround sound works great on both the iPod Touch and the AppleTV).
Does anyone know if those settings will also work on an 5g iPod (original 30gb with Video)?

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:32 am
by GMcDowellJr
brianlees wrote:Does anyone know if those settings will also work on an 5g iPod (original 30gb with Video)?
the Insert iPod Atom checkbox should enable you to get it working on that iPod... there's more information about this in the documentation and on this forum

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:42 am
by nightstrm
nightstrm wrote:I will post mine in a couple minutes after I get things settled.
http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php ... 116#p27116

Re: AppleTV to support Dolby5.1 Natively

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:43 am
by rhester
It is very unlikely it will work because the bitrate (not to mention resolution) is very likely to exceed the 5G's capabilities.

The existing iPod preset is already optimized for this use.

Rodney