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DougL
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Web optimized?

Post by DougL » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:28 am

Description of problem or question:
When I output to mp4 with "Web optimized" selected, I get a file that is half as big as when I don't select it. What's it doing to my video??



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HandBrake version (e.g., 1.0.0):
1.1.2



Operating system and version (e.g., Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, macOS 10.13 High Sierra, Windows 10 Creators Update):
El Capitan



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rollin_eng
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Re: Web optimized?

Post by rollin_eng » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:27 am

Could you please post your HB logs from both encodes, instructions can be found here:

https://handbrake.fr/docs/en/latest/hel ... y-log.html

mduell
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Re: Web optimized?

Post by mduell » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:12 pm

You're picking different settings, since the web optimized option has no impact on size.

We'd need to see both encode logs to tell you what you selected differently.

DougL
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Re: Web optimized?

Post by DougL » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:53 pm

You want eight pages of logs posted here? (Four for each conversion.)

What I did was to pull a 70 minute video DVD into Handbrake, and produce an mp4, using default settings. H.264 (x264) 30fps 710x480 comb detect, decomb. That produced a 1.5 GB mp4 file.

I then pulled that mp4 file back into Handbrake and did exactly the same thing, but selected Web Optimized. That produced a 700 MB mp4 file.

To my knowledge, that was the only setting that I changed. When I display the videos side by side, they look identical, and the length is identical.

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Re: Web optimized?

Post by Woodstock » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:58 pm

Yes, if you want knowledgeable answers to "why", we need to know "what". You don't remember changing anything... The logs DO remember.

Since you're working with different sources (an mpeg2 version of the file and a h.264 version), a LOT has changed between encodes. The test would be to run the same source file with "just" the "web optimized" checked between the two runs.

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Re: Web optimized?

Post by mduell » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:27 pm

DougL wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:53 pm
You want eight pages of logs posted here? (Four for each conversion.)
Absofsckinglutely, in code blocks so they're nice and scrolley.
DougL wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:53 pm
What I did was to pull a 70 minute video DVD into Handbrake, and produce an mp4, using default settings. H.264 (x264) 30fps 710x480 comb detect, decomb. That produced a 1.5 GB mp4 file.

I then pulled that mp4 file back into Handbrake and did exactly the same thing, but selected Web Optimized. That produced a 700 MB mp4 file.

To my knowledge, that was the only setting that I changed. When I display the videos side by side, they look identical, and the length is identical.
So all you changed is possibly everything, including the source! Yow, that's why we want to see logs.

You're doing multiple generations of lossy encodes, which alone is going to make the output lower quality and potentially smaller, even if you did pick the same settings.

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Re: Web optimized?

Post by DougL » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:38 pm

OK, I'll get the logs later today.

"So all you changed is possibly everything"? Uh, no. I was specific. All I changed from the default Handbrake config was Web Optimization. But yes, the source was changed as well.

True about multiple generations of lossy encodes, but I'd think that's not going to halve the size of the resulting file.

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BradleyS
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Re: Web optimized?

Post by BradleyS » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:07 pm

If you've changed the source, by definition you have changed the most important factor, even if it's encoded from the same parent source. Assuming this wouldn't greatly impact file size is a logic error.

Web Optimized literally moves a few bytes from the end of the file to the front without re-encoding anything.

With all respect, you seem to have misanalyzed the problem and are rejecting others' astute responses without providing the required log(s), so I'm closing this one.

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