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Webm support
What do you think about supporting a 3rd container format in the future: Webm?
http://www.webmproject.org/docs/container/
It might not be as good as MKV or MP4 or as widely spread like they are but Webm will stay like this forever if there is no interest in it.
A new good transcoders for it could arouse futher interest
Especially since Handbrake supports VP8 now, another container format could be interesting (especially when VP9 will be usable in the future)
of course someone needs to put some effort into integrating another container format into Handbrake with all it quirks but since Webm is pretty much a trimmed MKV it shouldn't be that hard.
there's probably a lot of code that can be reused to create webm video files.
If you think Handbrake is not suited for integrating webm, I would like to hear why you think so.
Since some webbrowsers support it unlike MKV it could be interesting if people would like to put some videos onto their (small) websites.
MP4 is kinda protected by patents, although you might say the same about webm (or it's used codecs), Google presents it as an open standard like MKV at least.
Looking forward to your oppinions on this
http://www.webmproject.org/docs/container/
It might not be as good as MKV or MP4 or as widely spread like they are but Webm will stay like this forever if there is no interest in it.
A new good transcoders for it could arouse futher interest
Especially since Handbrake supports VP8 now, another container format could be interesting (especially when VP9 will be usable in the future)
of course someone needs to put some effort into integrating another container format into Handbrake with all it quirks but since Webm is pretty much a trimmed MKV it shouldn't be that hard.
there's probably a lot of code that can be reused to create webm video files.
If you think Handbrake is not suited for integrating webm, I would like to hear why you think so.
Since some webbrowsers support it unlike MKV it could be interesting if people would like to put some videos onto their (small) websites.
MP4 is kinda protected by patents, although you might say the same about webm (or it's used codecs), Google presents it as an open standard like MKV at least.
Looking forward to your oppinions on this
Re: Webm support
If I remember correctly, VP8 was added to handbrake just to replace Theora. And why do you think VP9 is not yet usable?Djfe wrote: Especially since Handbrake supports VP8 now, another container format could be interesting (especially when VP9 will be usable in the future)
I would really like to see VP9 included in handbrake but I think it is highly unlikely (I hope I am mistaken) as HEVC can offer the same as VP9 can, but even better (while not being better at the same time).
About the inclusion of WebM as a container format. It is highly unlikely, but I support this idea.
Again, I hope I am mistaken.
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Re: Webm support
am i wrong or does WebM really only support VP8/9 video and Vorbis/Opus audio?
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Yes.moneymatt4life wrote:am i wrong or does WebM really only support VP8/9 video and Vorbis/Opus audio?
Re: Webm support
He's seen the benchmarks and results?VP9 wrote:If I remember correctly, VP8 was added to handbrake just to replace Theora. And why do you think VP9 is not yet usable?Djfe wrote: Especially since Handbrake supports VP8 now, another container format could be interesting (especially when VP9 will be usable in the future)
Re: Webm support
Well, I just read John's recent review of the current status of VP9
He wants to implement as well/is interested in it.
The problem is that it is still too slow.
Quoting him Multicore encoding has been disabled 1 year ago as well, but that was just the last statement about it he found.
Quality-wise it is not perfect but ok-ish.
But just read it for yourself:
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=27343#p146604
(btw. at the moment the thread is just one below this one in the feature request list )
He wants to implement as well/is interested in it.
The problem is that it is still too slow.
Quoting him Multicore encoding has been disabled 1 year ago as well, but that was just the last statement about it he found.
Quality-wise it is not perfect but ok-ish.
But just read it for yourself:
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=27343#p146604
(btw. at the moment the thread is just one below this one in the feature request list )
Re: Webm support
I know how slow VP9 currently is. I am encoding videos with it:mduell wrote:He's seen the benchmarks and results?VP9 wrote:If I remember correctly, VP8 was added to handbrake just to replace Theora. And why do you think VP9 is not yet usable?Djfe wrote: Especially since Handbrake supports VP8 now, another container format could be interesting (especially when VP9 will be usable in the future)
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It is usable as long as you can use it.
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Re: Webm support
What would the benefit be to using such a restrictive container?
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Not for playing back movies or archiving, if you just need it for your PC, but for putting them on your website and stuff it is quite useful.
I don't know really userfriendly programs that would allow exporting in webm.
(I don't think FFMPEG is enduserfriendly)
Talking about putting videos on your website: MP4 has also options (web-optimized)
If you want to upload only to youtube nothing of this matters of course, since YouTube accepts almost anything and converts/transcodes it anyways using FFMPEG, but for your own website or videowebsites that don't offer this service of transcoding (and only allow certain containers/codecs) this might be the solution, if you don't like MP4 too much.
And after all what speaks against implementing it?
I don't know really userfriendly programs that would allow exporting in webm.
(I don't think FFMPEG is enduserfriendly)
Talking about putting videos on your website: MP4 has also options (web-optimized)
If you want to upload only to youtube nothing of this matters of course, since YouTube accepts almost anything and converts/transcodes it anyways using FFMPEG, but for your own website or videowebsites that don't offer this service of transcoding (and only allow certain containers/codecs) this might be the solution, if you don't like MP4 too much.
And after all what speaks against implementing it?
Re: Webm support
WebM support is still wished to put videos onto websites, mainly because of patent issues.
Firefox/Firefox for Android/Firefox OS supports the format MP4 in some cases, but only when a third-party decoder is available.
To display a video using HTML5, which works in the newest versions of all major browsers, you must serve your video in both WebM format and MPEG H.264 AAC format.
Source: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/doc ... ia_formats
Thanks
Firefox/Firefox for Android/Firefox OS supports the format MP4 in some cases, but only when a third-party decoder is available.
To display a video using HTML5, which works in the newest versions of all major browsers, you must serve your video in both WebM format and MPEG H.264 AAC format.
Source: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/doc ... ia_formats
Thanks
Re: Webm support
I have 'webm' support directly out of Premiere Pro and Adobe Media Encoder, although I have found to be getting better compression results from Handbrake for the MP4 and would like to match that performance if possible by using Handbrake to output the files to webm for me too. The videos I create are standardly for our business website and need to be deeply compressed as they are server side and not brought in from youtube/vimeo for these web banners. I think web formats may change but webm and ogg files seem to be strong in the html5 architecture.
Just personally, I would love Handbrake to be able to output webm.
Cheers and keep up the good work!
Just personally, I would love Handbrake to be able to output webm.
Cheers and keep up the good work!
Re: Webm support
just a tip until Handbrake supports webm:
Output from AME/PP to a Frameserver like FFmpeg
AME renders the image, FFmpeg encodes it on-the-fly to whatever format(s) you like -> less steps in your workflow
use webm as a container for vp9 or vp8 + opus or vorbis
also possible of course are mp4 with h.264 and aac for Safari and edge/ie (ios and windows)
Output from AME/PP to a Frameserver like FFmpeg
AME renders the image, FFmpeg encodes it on-the-fly to whatever format(s) you like -> less steps in your workflow
use webm as a container for vp9 or vp8 + opus or vorbis
also possible of course are mp4 with h.264 and aac for Safari and edge/ie (ios and windows)