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0.9.9 Soft subtitles on blu-ray to m4v/mp4

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:51 pm
by nevilread
Sorry if this is a dumb question. I love that 0.9.9 supports subtitles from blu ray. The information here makes it seem as though soft subtitles will work but, for me, I've tried playing on boxee, vlc and power media players. They all show the subtitles all the time even when the players have subtitles off.

I've converted a number of DVD's and even blurays (with srt subtitles) using soft subtitles without trouble; I do not have 'burn' selected but the behaviour is just as though 'burn' is turned on.

Am I doing something wrong or is the desired behaviour? If so I'll need to convert every bluray twice. I'd prefer to watch without subtitles most of the time but need them when watching with one of my grand-children. Downloaded SRT files are notoriously bad unless you luck out.

Re: 0.9.9 Soft subtitles on blu-ray to m4v/mp4

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:23 pm
by mduell
nevilread wrote:Sorry if this is a dumb question. I love that 0.9.9 supports subtitles from blu ray. The information here makes it seem as though soft subtitles will work
What information where states or even implies BR soft subs will work in m4v/mp4?

Re: 0.9.9 Soft subtitles on blu-ray to m4v/mp4

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:24 pm
by JohnAStebbins
The MP4 specification does not support bluray PGS subtitles. So they can *only* be burned in when using this container. The only other options would be conversion to text which requires OCR or conversion to vobsub which isn't supported by the vast majority of players anyway.

If you want soft PGS subtitles, you must use the mkv container.

Re: 0.9.9 Soft subtitles on blu-ray to m4v/mp4

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:26 pm
by Rodeo
mduell wrote:
nevilread wrote:Sorry if this is a dumb question. I love that 0.9.9 supports subtitles from blu ray. The information here makes it seem as though soft subtitles will work
What information where states or even implies BR soft subs will work in m4v/mp4?
+1, what information and where'd you find it?

Re: 0.9.9 Soft subtitles on blu-ray to m4v/mp4

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:43 pm
by nevilread
Okay, I get it on page https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/Subtitles it reads "With MP4, you can burn ONLY 1 subtitle track into the video."
Perhaps it should read "With MP4, you can ONLY hard burn a subtitle track into the video."

The former, I interpreted to mean, if I'm burning I only get one subtitle track... which seemed obvious to me. I interpreted the intent to suggest that you can't have multiple subtitle tracks. The latter means I have no choice but to burn the subtitle (and can't pass through as mkv). The latter also uses the term as it defined at the top of the page.

Thanks for your help. Sorry for the trouble.

Re: 0.9.9 Soft subtitles on blu-ray to m4v/mp4

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:23 pm
by mduell
It's correct, you can only burn 1 subtitle track into the video. That says nothing about the MP4 limitaitons on softsubs.