Re-Encode size LARGE

[frodawgg]

Description of problem or question:
I was re-encoding a 30ish gb MKV because it didn't meet specifications to be burned to Blu-ray, but after a day of re-encoding, the resulting MKV was 77gb--more than double its original size! Even if it now meets the specifications, discs aren't that big!


Steps to reproduce the problem (If Applicable):




HandBrake version (e.g., 1.0.0):

0.10.5.0


Operating system and version (e.g., Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, macOS 10.13 High Sierra, Windows 10 Creators Update):

Windows 7


HandBrake Activity Log ***required*** (see How-to get an activity log)

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HandBrake 0.10.5.0 - 64bit Version
OS: Microsoft Windows NT 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 - 64bit
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU       M 480  @ 2.67GHz
Ram: 7989 MB, 
GPU Information:
  ATI Mobility Radeon HD 6370    - 8.771.1.0
  Intel(R) HD Graphics - 8.771.1.0
Screen: 1600x900
Temp Dir: C:\Users\Jason\AppData\Local\Temp\
Install Dir: C:\Program Files\Handbrake
Data Dir: C:\Users\Jason\AppData\Roaming\HandBrake Team\HandBrake\0.10.5.0

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CLI Query:  -i "C:\Users\Jason\Documents\MEGAsync Downloads\ZS BVS UE IMAX.mkv" -t 1 --angle 1 -c 1 -o "C:\Users\Jason\Videos\bvs2\BvSIMAX.mkv"  -f mkv  --decomb -w 1920 --crop 0:0:0:0 --loose-anamorphic  --modulus 2 -e x264 -q 0 -r 23.976 --cfr -a 1,2 -E copy:ac3,copy:ac3 -6 none,none -R Auto,Auto -B 0,0 -D 0,0 --gain 0,0 --audio-fallback ac3 --encoder-level="4.1"  --encoder-profile=high  --verbose=1

[20:33:01] hb_init: starting libhb thread
HandBrake 0.10.5 (2016021100) - MinGW x86_64 - https://handbrake.fr
4 CPUs detected
Opening C:\Users\Jason\Documents\MEGAsync Downloads\ZS BVS UE IMAX.mkv...
[20:33:01] CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU       M 480  @ 2.67GHz
[20:33:01]  - logical processor count: 4
[20:33:01] OpenCL: library not available
[20:33:01] Intel Quick Sync Video support: no
[20:33:01] hb_scan: path=C:\Users\Jason\Documents\MEGAsync Downloads\ZS BVS UE IMAX.mkv, title_index=1
libbluray/bdnav/index_parse.c:162: indx_parse(): error opening C:\Users\Jason\Documents\MEGAsync Downloads\ZS BVS UE IMAX.mkv/BDMV/index.bdmv
libbluray/bdnav/index_parse.c:162: indx_parse(): error opening C:\Users\Jason\Documents\MEGAsync Downloads\ZS BVS UE IMAX.mkv/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv
libbluray/bluray.c:2182: nav_get_title_list(C:\Users\Jason\Documents\MEGAsync Downloads\ZS BVS UE IMAX.mkv) failed
[20:33:01] bd: not a bd - trying as a stream/file instead
libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 5.0.1
libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
libdvdread:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed
libdvdread:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed
libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.
libdvdnav: vm: failed to read VIDEO_TS.IFO
[20:33:01] dvd: not a dvd - trying as a stream/file instead
Input #0, matroska,webm, from 'C:\Users\Jason\Documents\MEGAsync Downloads\ZS BVS UE IMAX.mkv':
  Duration: 03:02:34.23, start: 0.000000, bitrate: N/A
    Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264 (High), yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 23.98 fps, 1k tbn, 47.62 tbc (default)
    Metadata:
      BPS-eng         : 21910106
      DURATION-eng    : 03:02:34.235000000
      NUMBER_OF_FRAMES-eng: 262639
      NUMBER_OF_BYTES-eng: 30001057467
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP-eng: mkvmerge v45.0.0 ('Heaven in Pennies') 64-bit
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC-eng: 2020-04-22 04:31:25
      _STATISTICS_TAGS-eng: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES
    Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1, fltp, 640 kb/s (default)
    Metadata:
      title           : Dolby Digital from TrueHD
      BPS-eng         : 640000
      DURATION-eng    : 03:02:33.664000000
      NUMBER_OF_FRAMES-eng: 342302
      NUMBER_OF_BYTES-eng: 876293120
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP-eng: mkvmerge v45.0.0 ('Heaven in Pennies') 64-bit
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC-eng: 2020-04-22 04:31:25
      _STATISTICS_TAGS-eng: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES
    Stream #0.2(eng): Audio: ac3, 44100 Hz, stereo, fltp, 192 kb/s
    Metadata:
      title           : Zack Snyder's LIVE commentary
      BPS-eng         : 192000
      DURATION-eng    : 03:00:58.858000000
      NUMBER_OF_FRAMES-eng: 311768
      NUMBER_OF_BYTES-eng: 260612596
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP-eng: mkvmerge v45.0.0 ('Heaven in Pennies') 64-bit
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC-eng: 2020-04-22 04:31:25
      _STATISTICS_TAGS-eng: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES
    Stream #0.3(eng): Subtitle: [0][0][0][0] / 0x0000
    Metadata:
      BPS-eng         : 39
      DURATION-eng    : 02:53:23.597000000
      NUMBER_OF_FRAMES-eng: 1538
      NUMBER_OF_BYTES-eng: 51567
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP-eng: mkvmerge v45.0.0 ('Heaven in Pennies') 64-bit
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC-eng: 2020-04-22 04:31:25
      _STATISTICS_TAGS-eng: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES
[20:33:01] scan: decoding previews for title 1
[20:33:01] scan: audio 0x1: ac3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=640000 English (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[20:33:01] scan: audio 0x2: ac3, rate=44100Hz, bitrate=192000 English (AC3) (2.0 ch)
Scanning title 1 of 1, preview 1, 10.00 %
Scanning title 1 of 1, preview 3, 30.00 %
Scanning title 1 of 1, preview 4, 40.00 %
Scanning title 1 of 1, preview 5, 50.00 %
Scanning title 1 of 1, preview 7, 70.00 %
Scanning title 1 of 1, preview 8, 80.00 %
Scanning title 1 of 1, preview 10, 100.00 %[20:33:02] scan: 10 previews, 1920x1080, 23.976 fps, autocrop = 140/140/0/0, aspect 16:9, PAR 1:1
[20:33:02] libhb: scan thread found 1 valid title(s)
+ title 1:
  + stream: C:\Users\Jason\Documents\MEGAsync Downloads\ZS BVS UE IMAX.mkv
  + duration: 03:02:34
  + size: 1920x1080, pixel aspect: 1/1, display aspect: 1.78, 23.976 fps
  + autocrop: 140/140/0/0
  + support opencl: no
  + support hwd: yes
  + chapters:
    + 1: cells 0->0, 0 blocks, duration 03:02:34
  + audio tracks:
    + 1, English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (iso639-2: eng), 48000Hz, 640000bps
    + 2, English (AC3) (2.0 ch) (iso639-2: eng), 44100Hz, 192000bps
  + subtitle tracks:
    + 1, English (iso639-2: eng) (Text)(UTF-8)
[20:33:03] 1 job(s) to process
[20:33:03] starting job
[20:33:03] yadif thread started for segment 0
[20:33:03] yadif thread started for segment 1
[20:33:03] yadif thread started for segment 2
[20:33:03] decomb filter thread started for segment 0
[20:33:03] yadif thread started for segment 3
[20:33:03] decomb filter thread started for segment 1
[20:33:03] decomb filter thread started for segment 2
[20:33:03] decomb filter thread started for segment 3
[20:33:03] decomb check thread started for segment 0
[20:33:03] decomb check thread started for segment 1
[20:33:03] mask filter thread started for segment 0
[20:33:03] decomb check thread started for segment 2
[20:33:03] mask filter thread started for segment 1
[20:33:03] decomb check thread started for segment 3
[20:33:03] mask filter thread started for segment 2
[20:33:03] mask erode thread started for segment 0
[20:33:03] mask filter thread started for segment 3
[20:33:03] mask erode thread started for segment 1
[20:33:03] mask erode thread started for segment 2
[20:33:03] mask erode thread started for segment 3
[20:33:03] mask dilate thread started for segment 0
[20:33:03] mask dilate thread started for segment 1
[20:33:03] mask dilate thread started for segment 2
[20:33:03] sync: expecting 262639 video frames
[20:33:03] mask dilate thread started for segment 3
[20:33:03] job configuration:
[20:33:03]  * source
[20:33:03]    + C:\Users\Jason\Documents\MEGAsync Downloads\ZS BVS UE IMAX.mkv
[20:33:03]    + title 1, chapter(s) 1 to 1
[20:33:03]    + container: matroska,webm
[20:33:03]  * destination
[20:33:03]    + C:\Users\Jason\Videos\bvs2\BvSIMAX.mkv
[20:33:03]    + container: Matroska (libavformat)
[20:33:03]  * video track
[20:33:03]    + decoder: h264
[20:33:03]    + filters
[20:33:03]      + Decomb (default settings)
[20:33:03]      + Framerate Shaper (1:27000000:1126125)
[20:33:03]        + frame rate: 23.976 fps -> constant 23.976 fps
[20:33:03]      + Crop and Scale (1920:1080:0:0:0:0)
[20:33:03]        + source: 1920 * 1080, crop (0/0/0/0): 1920 * 1080, scale: 1920 * 1080
[20:33:03]    + loose anamorphic
[20:33:03]      + storage dimensions: 1920 * 1080, mod 2
[20:33:03]      + pixel aspect ratio: 1 / 1
[20:33:03]      + display dimensions: 1920 * 1080
[20:33:03]    + encoder: H.264 (libx264)
[20:33:03]      + profile: high
[20:33:03]      + level:   4.1
[20:33:03]      + quality: 0.00 (RF)
[20:33:03]  * audio track 1
[20:33:03]    + decoder: English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 1, id 0x1)
[20:33:03]      + bitrate: 640 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[20:33:03]    + AC3 Passthru
[20:33:03]  * audio track 2
[20:33:03]    + decoder: English (AC3) (2.0 ch) (track 2, id 0x2)
[20:33:03]      + bitrate: 192 kbps, samplerate: 44100 Hz
[20:33:03]    + AC3 Passthru
[20:33:03] reader: first SCR 0 id 0x0 DTS 0
[20:33:03] encx264: min-keyint: 24, keyint: 240
[20:33:03] encx264: encoding at constant RF 0.000000
[20:33:03] hb_apply_h264_profile [warning]: lossless requires high444 profile, disabling
[20:33:03] encx264: unparsed options: level=4.1:vbv-bufsize=78125:vbv-maxrate=62500
x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.2
x264 [info]: profile High, level 4.1
[18:11:00] reader: done. 1 scr changes
[18:11:13] work: average encoding speed for job is 3.372117 fps
[18:11:13] sync: got 262639 frames, 262639 expected
[18:11:13] decomb: deinterlaced 329 | blended 754 | unfiltered 261555 | total 262638
[18:11:13] render: 262638 frames output, 0 dropped and 0 duped for CFR/PFR
[18:11:13] render: lost time: 0 (0 frames)
[18:11:13] render: gained time: 0 (0 frames) (0 not accounted for)
[18:11:13] h264-decoder done: 262639 frames, 0 decoder errors, 0 drops
x264 [info]: frame I:4347  Avg QP: 3.82  size:494288
x264 [info]: frame P:172175 Avg QP: 6.45  size:347893
x264 [info]: frame B:86116 Avg QP: 6.78  size:233158
x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 39.7% 48.2%  4.3%  7.8%
x264 [info]: mb I  I16..4: 31.2% 47.8% 20.9%
x264 [info]: mb P  I16..4:  4.4% 25.2%  7.4%  P16..4: 16.3% 12.9%  9.0%  0.0%  0.0%    skip:24.8%
x264 [info]: mb B  I16..4:  0.9%  4.3%  1.8%  B16..8: 28.5% 14.0%  9.7%  direct:12.5%  skip:28.2%  L0:44.8% L1:33.1% BI:22.1%
x264 [info]: 8x8 transform intra:66.3% inter:55.1%
x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra: 95.2% 89.5% 86.4% inter: 55.2% 37.5% 28.9%
x264 [info]: i16 v,h,dc,p: 22%  8% 44% 26%
x264 [info]: i8 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 11% 10% 44%  5%  5%  5%  6%  6%  7%
x264 [info]: i4 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 13% 13% 25%  8%  9%  7%  8%  7%  9%
x264 [info]: i8c dc,h,v,p: 63% 15% 14%  9%
x264 [info]: Weighted P-Frames: Y:2.5% UV:1.4%
x264 [info]: ref P L0: 68.2% 10.4% 17.6%  3.7%  0.1%
x264 [info]: ref B L0: 90.1%  9.4%  0.5%
x264 [info]: ref B L1: 97.6%  2.4%
x264 [info]: kb/s:59977.63
[18:11:13] ac3-decoder done: 0 frames, 0 decoder errors, 0 drops
[18:11:13] ac3-decoder done: 0 frames, 0 decoder errors, 0 drops
[18:11:13] mux: track 0, 262638 frames, 82125671575 bytes, 59977.75 kbps, fifo 1024
[18:11:13] mux: track 1, 342302 frames, 876293120 bytes, 639.97 kbps, fifo 2048
[18:11:13] mux: track 2, 311768 frames, 260612596 bytes, 190.33 kbps, fifo 2048
[18:11:13] libhb: work result = 0
Encode done!
HandBrake has exited.

[Deleted User 13735]

[20:33:03] + quality: 0.00 (RF)
[20:33:03] encx264: encoding at constant RF 0.000000
[20:33:03] hb_apply_h264_profile [warning]: lossless requires high444 profile, disabling

Might that have something to do with it?
Try a stock High Profile setting first, and try not to futz.

[frodawgg]

Does that read to disable the high profile? I'll try that.

I'm new to this...what does futz mean?

Thanks

[frodawgg]

Someone on another support forum said that I need to change the specifications to meet Blu-ray standards and posted this link: https://sites.google.com/site/x264bluray/home/1080i-p

This means next to nothing to me; is this something I need to look into?

[Woodstock]

"Futz" means "screw around". Just try the "HQ 1080p30 Surround" profile, with no modifications.

By the way, the link you posted tells you how to use the x264 program, not handbrake.

[Deleted User 13735]

Just try the "HQ 1080p30 Surround" profile

Yes, that sounds like a great place to start.
Handbrake presets do what they say, and get it right every time!
Stay off other internet sites, pick a preset AS-IS, and see what you get.
Futzing is Futile.

BTW, the title of the page you linked is "Authoring a professional Blu-ray Disc with x264"
You are not doing that, Handbrake does not do that, and x264 has never worked for me for BluRay authoring, in my fifteen years of commercial production experience.
Typical gutter hype.

[rollin_eng]

Also try upgrading to the latest version.

If you are trying to generate a blu ray compatible video, HB is probably not the best tool.

[rollin_eng]

x264 has never worked for me for BluRay authoring

X264 is perfectly capable of outputting Blu Ray compatible video if you use the correct settings.

[JohnAStebbins]

In all this, nobody bothered to mention that the file size problem is due to his choice of RF. RF 0 means encode losslessly. The encoder it attempting to preserve every last detail and that requires lots of bits.

So, don't "futz" with the RF. If you require BD spec compatibility, you will have to futz with some other settings. But I'm wondering, do you really need BD spec compatibility? Are you feeding the output of HandBrake to a BD authoring tool, or are you just writing an mkv to a BD-ROM?

[rollin_eng]

In all this, nobody bothered to mention that the file size problem is due to his choice of RF. RF 0 means encode losslessly.

musicvid points that out in the first reply...

what did you say about going senile

[Deleted User 11865]

He pointed out the error without giving an explanation

Anyway, this should explain how to deal with the quality slider:

https://handbrake.fr/docs/en/1.3.0/work ... ality.html

[Deleted User 11865]

I'm also going senile, I thought we had a FAQ that covered RF 0 somewhere, but cannot find it anymore.

[rollin_eng]

I'm also going senile, I thought we had a FAQ that covered RF 0 somewhere, but cannot find it anymore.

https://handbrake.fr/docs/en/1.3.0/tech ... s-abr.html

[frodawgg]

Thank you for all your replies. I have gone ahead and updated. I understand the rf setting. Being less than a novice, I just assumed to keep the best quality I needed to go lossless, but it made sense that it would increase the file size. After reading the settings, it says that 20-24 is ideal for HD files.

To answer JohnAStebbins, I am simply trying to put the movie on a Blu-ray because that is my preferred method of viewing. Long story short, the fps was not compatible with either tsmuxer or multiavchd (this is not my project, but from someone else), so I was told on another forum to reencode.

I've done one pass, and while the size was acceptable, it didn't work in either of those programs; my output was MPEG4/H264. One of those settings was not compatible, as tsmuxer accepts MP4 but this was M4V (I don't know if that makes a difference) and H264MVC but this was AVC (once again, don't know if that matters). I'm going to try one more pass to MKV/MPEG2 (both which are supposedly supported), before I give up completely; I don't know how many more times I can have my computer monopolized for a day at a time.

Thanks again for all the pointers.

[Deleted User 13735]

Sorry to make the distinction again, but it comes up periodically. One can drop just about anything Handbrake can render onto a BluRay blank and it will play, as a data file.

Authoring a BluRay, with interactive titles, menus, chapters, angles, and multiple audios and features, is a different matter. My DVDA Pro authoring software will always do a major recode with anything x264, although it appears to meet spec. I once heard someone say they had x264 working in TMPGENC Author without recoding, but not since, nor do I own that software.

[frodawgg]

I don't care about menus (although I've done them before), but I've burned multiple movies with chapters and different audio tracks through tsmuxer and multiavchd.

I may be mistaken, but I don't believe they were data files. Once again, I may be wrong, and probably am

[Deleted User 13735]

Yes, there is a distinction. You will not author a BluRay without using BluRay authoring software, which can be as simple as a single movie or slideshow (BDAV), or as complex as commercial movie discs (BDMV). An mp4/mkv file burned to a BluRay blank is an example of a data disc.

Compliant authoring is very picky about source -- lest it require a major recode, and no, mp4/m4v chapters are not BluRay chapters, nor are multiple mp4 audio tracks the same as BluRay secondary audio tracks (language, commentary, karaoke, etc.) A playable BluRay ISO on a hard drive is also possible.

Adobe Encore, DVDA, TMGENC, and Scenarist are popular professional authoring solutions, There are many more, including freeware.
TSMuxr is not authoring software. Good luck.

[Deleted User 13735]

In all this, nobody bothered to mention that the file size problem is due to his choice of RF. RF 0 means encode losslessly.

He pointed out the error without giving an explanation

That's because I'm senile and I expect others to read minds

[Woodstock]

That's because I'm senile and I expect others to read minds

The problem is that some people DO read minds, but they're confused by all the voices in our heads arguing.

[Deleted User 11865]

Psychiatrists would like to remind people that it's OK to speak to your appliances during this confinement situation. You only need to call them if your appliances start talking back to you

[Deleted User 13735]

Psychiatrists also remind us that one definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over, and expecting different results.
Kind of defines my forum history.

[BradleyS]

Hi

[rollin_eng]

Hi

Bonjour.