AppleTV Advanced Settings (Post PsyRDO)

[Cavalicious]

As always, there are some rules that must be adhered to if you plan on posting in this thread or trying any settings that are posted:

1. Get familiar with these Threads - ATV Advanced Settings (DVD Source) & ATV Advanced Settings (HD Source) & ATV 2.x Advanced Settings (All Sources)
2. Understand that we are trying to squeeze as much quality out of the AppleTV while maintaining some sort of balance between Speed and Size (maybe).
3. Be aware, not everything is going to come out pretty. Since Apple isn't providing anything by way of reliable specs, we're (as dynaflash would say) throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks.
4. Don't expect perfection, but you may maintain a perfectionist's attitude.
5. Some settings may require you to compile SVN releases. If you don't know how, don't discuss here.
6. If you haven't upgraded to AppleTV 2.x, this isn't the thread for you.
6a. AppleTV software hacks add too many variables. If you hacked yours, don't complain if something doesn't come out right.
7. Cabac stays on. There is no need to be here if you insist on using :cabac=0
8. Minimal subq setting is 6. This is a pro PsyRDO thread.
9. This is a CRF thread. ABR is too "safe" for us.
10. Try at you own risk! If your AppleTV catches your house on fire during quick pans, we are not responsible!
11. Use Code Blocks!
12. DO NOT HIJACK THIS THREAD! I refuse to go through all the effort of splitting off posts of those that can't follow rules. If you hijack, your posts will be deleted and you will be banned for a week.

Ok, all of that said...

I asked a question earlier this month about the images below: "Can you tell which capture is from a..." Well the answers are below each image.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7281/jttcote3fr7.png
Original DVD (via dvd.app)

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7900/jttcote2yg8.png
r1886 62%

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ref=3:mixed-refs=1:bframes=3:weightb=1:direct=auto:no-fast-pskip=1:me=umh:subq=7:analyse=all:b-adapt=2

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1899/jttcote1io3.png
r1868 65%

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bframes=6:ref=6:mixed-refs=1:subq=6:me=umh:no-fast-pskip=1:trellis=1:direct=auto:bime=1:merange=24

The point I was trying to make was we are now approaching a point of transparency when in reference to DVDs. If this is indeed the case, then one would now focus on the Size of said encode or the Speed of the encoding.

Personally, I believe the Original DVD image looks worse (washed out), while the middle (62%) looks the best.

~Have at it

[Cavalicious]

Let me start this off by saying that Dynaflash's/Jbrjake's:
62% CRF

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ref=3:mixed-refs=1:bframes=3:weightb=1:direct=auto:no-fast-pskip=1:me=umh:subq=7:analyse=all:b-adapt=2

is currently my new default DVD Source preset.

Of course, this can change in 5...4...3...

[jbrjake]

I've been a little wary of setting the built-in preset to use as high a quality as 62% since the CRF scale was changed. I take it you feel 59% shows a noticeable deterioration in quality?

Also, what are your feelings on higher submes of 8 or 9? Not worth the time penalty?

Since this thread is based on the notion of using CABAC, let me ask: feelings on psy-trellis?

BTW, when was the last time anyone tested b-pyramid on the ATV? I wonder if it got enabled at some point...

[NetMavrik]

BTW, when was the last time anyone tested b-pyramid on the ATV? I wonder if it got enabled at some point...

I just tried the above settings with the addition of b-pyramid and the ATV restarted itself.

[Cavalicious]

I've been a little wary of setting the built-in preset to use as high a quality as 62% since the CRF scale was changed. I take it you feel 59% shows a noticeable deterioration in quality?

I think I need to do more testing. For HD Sources this may be fine, but for DVD Sources, so far my testing isn't favorable.

Also, what are your feelings on higher submes of 8 or 9? Not worth the time penalty?

Going to test this today.

Since this thread is based on the notion of using CABAC, let me ask: feelings on psy-trellis?

EDIT: Just re-read my post, my response here was irrelevant. That said, I've been using SVNs so long, I don't remember how things looked before.

BTW, when was the last time anyone tested b-pyramid on the ATV? I wonder if it got enabled at some point...

I'll run a few chapters and see...

[Cavalicious]

I just tried the above settings with the addition of b-pyramid and the ATV restarted itself.

Thats funny! Same thing use to happen with quick pans /w too high bitrates.

[dynaflash]

what are your feelings on higher submes of 8 or 9? Not worth the time penalty?

Imo, subme of 6 looks awfully good, and is ridiculously close in size for a full length feature film as subme 8 with a pretty decent speed benefit (almost 4fps depending on my source). I am using subme 6.

Sidenote: been doing some reading up on nvidia's TrueVideo and the GeoForce 7300 Go video gpu on the atv. Its interesting and I think provides some clues as to how apple is able to decode pretty decent h.264 with such a relatively meek main cpu. As TrueVideo is programmable and Apple obviously has access to the api, I suspect that could have something to do with how they improve h.264 decoding with software updates (note that as of atv 2 the max specs for h.264 exceed standard mpeg4). At first, I thought that the h.264 decoding on the 7300 was cavlc only, and handed off cabac to the main cpu, but now I am seeing evidence suggesting otherwise. Again, just a sidenote.

[jbrjake]

Since this thread is based on the notion of using CABAC, let me ask: feelings on psy-trellis?

EDIT: Just re-read my post, my response here was irrelevant. That said, I've been using SVNs so long, I don't remember how things looked before.

No...psy-trellis isn't on by default. Psy-RDO is on by default. Psy-trellis requires cabac and trellis 1 or 2 and for you to specify psy-rd=1,1 (the first 1 is psy-rdo, it's on by defaul, while the second is psy-trellis, and it's off by default).

[Cavalicious]

No...psy-trellis isn't on by default. Psy-RDO is on by default. Psy-trellis requires cabac and trellis 1 or 2 and for you to specify psy-rd=1,1 (the first 1 is psy-rdo, it's on by defaul, while the second is psy-trellis, and it's off by default).

Just what I needed to know (I guess my previous remarks were relevant). I'll run some full encodes /w cabac=1:trellis=1:psy-rd=1,1 tonight.

BTW, have been running some 59% / 62% subme 9 tests. Will try to post report tonight when I get home from work.

[dynaflash]

Sidenote: been doing some reading up on nvidia's TrueVideo and the GeoForce 7300 Go video gpu on the atv. Its interesting and I think provides some clues as to how apple is able to decode pretty decent h.264 with such a relatively meek main cpu. As TrueVideo is programmable and Apple obviously has access to the api, I suspect that could have something to do with how they improve h.264 decoding with software updates (note that as of atv 2 the max specs for h.264 exceed standard mpeg4). At first, I thought that the h.264 decoding on the 7300 was cavlc only, and handed off cabac to the main cpu, but now I am seeing evidence suggesting otherwise. Again, just a sidenote.

Okay I understand I am out of bounds on this thread here, but I have to share this in support of better HB encoding to the atv accepted format (h.264 mpeg4) in contrast to "hacking" your atv to playing all formats using mplayer, vlc or whatever. Even the developers of the newer "Boxee" admit that since they have no real clue as to how apple is able to use the nvidia gpu to accelarate h.264, they suffer in performance. So, threads like this are imho the best source of how to access all an atv has to offer in terms of the best quality video experience that can be had on the AppleTV by encoding your source to the maximum that the stock atv software/hardware can play natively .

Please carry on with your regularly scheduled programming...

[Cavalicious]

I know, I promise this sooner, but this little thing called life....

HB Version: r1886
Movies: Baby Mamma & Hellboy 2

Quality 0.59 vs 0.62:


0.59


0.62

I *thought* I could tell the difference by 59% having less color detail. I've been looking at the two so much, I can't tell now...So I will leave it to you.

No trellis vs. trellis=1:psy-rd=1,1

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HandBrake Activity Log for /Volumes/New Downloads/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY.m4v: 2008-11-15 02:14:35 -0600

[02:14:35] macgui: incrementQueueItemDone currentQueueEncodeIndex is incremented to: 1
[02:14:35] macgui: incrementQueueItemDone currentQueueEncodeIndex is incremented to: 1
[02:14:35] macgui: scanning specifically for title: 1
[02:14:35] macgui: performNewQueueScan currentQueueEncodeIndex is: 1
[02:14:35] hb_scan: path=/Volumes/Encode/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY, title_index=1
[02:14:35] scan: trying to open with libdvdread
[02:14:37] scan: DVD has 22 title(s)
[02:14:37] scan: scanning title 1
[02:14:37] scan: opening IFO for VTS 1
[02:14:37] pgc_id: 1, pgn: 1: pgc: 0x17d629a0
[02:14:37] scan: vts=1, ttn=1, cells=0->21, blocks=0->3085289, 3085290 blocks
[02:14:37] scan: duration is 01:59:40 (7180310 ms)
[02:14:37] scan: checking audio 1
[02:14:37] scan: id=80bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng ext=0
[02:14:37] scan: checking audio 2
[02:14:37] scan: id=81bd, lang=Espanol (AC3), 3cc=spa ext=0
[02:14:37] scan: checking audio 3
[02:14:37] scan: id=82bd, lang=Francais (AC3), 3cc=fra ext=0
[02:14:37] scan: checking audio 4
[02:14:37] scan: id=83bd, lang=English (AC3) (Visually Impaired), 3cc=eng ext=2
[02:14:37] scan: checking audio 5
[02:14:37] scan: id=84bd, lang=English (AC3) (Director's Commentary 1), 3cc=eng ext=3
[02:14:37] scan: checking audio 6
[02:14:37] scan: id=85bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng ext=0
[02:14:37] scan: checking subtitle 1
[02:14:37] scan: id=20bd, lang=English, 3cc=eng
[02:14:37] scan: checking subtitle 2
[02:14:37] scan: id=21bd, lang=Espanol, 3cc=spa
[02:14:37] scan: checking subtitle 3
[02:14:37] scan: id=22bd, lang=Francais, 3cc=fra
[02:14:37] scan: checking subtitle 4
[02:14:37] scan: id=23bd, lang=English (Director's Commentary), 3cc=eng
[02:14:37] scan: checking subtitle 5
[02:14:37] scan: id=24bd, lang=Espanol, 3cc=spa
[02:14:37] scan: checking subtitle 6
[02:14:37] scan: id=25bd, lang=Francais, 3cc=fra
[02:14:37] scan: title 1 has 21 chapters
[02:14:37] scan: chap 1 c=0->0, b=0->183934 (183935), 418425 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 2 c=1->1, b=183935->310491 (126557), 288343 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 3 c=2->2, b=310492->468534 (158043), 357489 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 4 c=3->3, b=468535->701724 (233190), 530430 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 5 c=4->4, b=701725->791058 (89334), 201163 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 6 c=5->5, b=791059->917461 (126403), 287409 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 7 c=6->6, b=917462->1018058 (100597), 228338 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 8 c=7->7, b=1018059->1173761 (155703), 353319 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 9 c=8->8, b=1173762->1276533 (102772), 233342 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 10 c=9->9, b=1276534->1454013 (177480), 404438 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 11 c=10->10, b=1454014->1563305 (109292), 248411 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 12 c=11->11, b=1563306->1731060 (167755), 382476 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 13 c=12->13, b=1731061->1924360 (193300), 439396 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 14 c=14->14, b=1924361->2005604 (81244), 190330 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 15 c=15->15, b=2005605->2154103 (148499), 349303 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 16 c=16->16, b=2154104->2264247 (110144), 259376 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 17 c=17->17, b=2264248->2499449 (235202), 554692 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 18 c=18->18, b=2499450->2666558 (167109), 394319 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 19 c=19->19, b=2666559->2915362 (248804), 584774 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 20 c=20->20, b=2915363->3085284 (169922), 473527 ms
[02:14:37] scan: chap 21 c=21->21, b=3085285->3085289 (5), 1000 ms
[02:14:37] scan: aspect = 0
[02:14:37] scan: decoding previews for title 1
[02:14:41] scan: audio 0x80bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=448000 English (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[02:14:41] scan: audio 0x81bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=384000 Espanol (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[02:14:41] scan: audio 0x82bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=384000 Francais (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[02:14:41] scan: audio 0x83bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=192000 English (AC3) (Visually Impaired) (Dolby Surround)
[02:14:41] scan: audio 0x84bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=192000 English (AC3) (Director's Commentary 1) (Dolby Surround)
[02:14:41] scan: audio 0x85bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=192000 English (AC3) (Dolby Surround)
[02:14:42] scan: 10 previews, 720x480, 23.976 fps, autocrop = 8/12/0/0, aspect 16:9, PAR 32:27
[02:14:42] scan: title (0) job->width:720, job->height:384
[02:14:42] libhb: scan thread found 1 valid title(s)
[02:14:42] macgui: ScanDone state received from fQueueEncodeLibhb
[02:14:42] macgui: processNewQueueEncode title list is: 1
[02:14:42] macgui: Preset: AppleTV 2.x DVD Source (Post-PsyRDO)
[02:14:42] macgui: processNewQueueEncode number of passes expected is: 1
[02:14:42] macgui: prepareJob audiotrack 2 is: 0
[02:14:42] macgui: prepareJob exiting
[02:14:42] 2 job(s) to process
[02:14:42] starting job
[02:14:42] job configuration:
[02:14:42]  * source
[02:14:42]    + /Volumes/Encode/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY
[02:14:42]    + title 1, chapter(s) 1 to 21
[02:14:42]  * destination
[02:14:42]    + /Volumes/New Downloads/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY.m4v
[02:14:42]    + container: MPEG-4 (.mp4 and .m4v)
[02:14:42]      + 64-bit formatting
[02:14:42]      + chapter markers
[02:14:42]  * video track
[02:14:42]    + decoder: mpeg2
[02:14:42]      + bitrate 9800 kbps
[02:14:42]    + frame rate: 23.976 fps -> variable fps
[02:14:42]    + loose anamorphic
[02:14:42]      + storage dimensions: 720 * 480 -> 720 * 464, crop 8/12/0/0
[02:14:42]      + pixel aspect ratio: 43 / 36
[02:14:42]      + display dimensions: 860 * 464
[02:14:42]    + color space: ITU Bt.601 (SD)
[02:14:42]    + filters
[02:14:42]      + Detelecine (pullup) (default settings)
[02:14:42]      + Deinterlaces selectively with yadif/mcdeint and lowpass5 blending (1:2:6:9:80:16:16)
[02:14:42]  * subtitle track 0, English (id 20bd)
[02:14:42]  * subtitle track 0, English (Director's Commentary) (id 23bd)
[02:14:42] sync: expecting 172179 video frames
[02:14:42] yadif thread started for segment 0
[02:14:42] yadif thread started for segment 1
[02:14:42] decomb thread started for segment 0
[02:14:42] decomb thread started for segment 1
[02:14:42] reader: first SCR 146
[02:16:57] dvd: end of cell 21 at block 3085285
[02:16:57] reader: done. 2 scr changes
[02:16:57] sync: got 0 frames, 172179 expected
[02:16:57] work: average encoding speed for job is 0.000000 fps
[02:16:57] mpeg2 done: 0 frames
[02:16:57] render: lost time: 0 (0 frames)
[02:16:57] render: gained time: 0 (0 frames) (0 not accounted for)
[02:16:57] Subtitle stream 0x20bd 'English': 2554 hits (19321 forced)
[02:16:57] Subtitle stream 0x23bd 'English (Director's Commentary)': 4393 hits (281 forced)
[02:16:57] Found a subtitle candidate id 0x20bd (contains forced subs)
[02:16:57] decomb: yadif deinterlaced 0 | blend deinterlaced 0 | unfiltered 0 | total 0
[02:16:57] starting job
[02:16:57] job configuration:
[02:16:57]  * source
[02:16:57]    + /Volumes/Encode/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY
[02:16:57]    + title 1, chapter(s) 1 to 21
[02:16:57]  * destination
[02:16:57]    + /Volumes/New Downloads/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY.m4v
[02:16:57]    + container: MPEG-4 (.mp4 and .m4v)
[02:16:57]      + 64-bit formatting
[02:16:57]      + chapter markers
[02:16:57]  * video track
[02:16:57]    + decoder: mpeg2
[02:16:57]      + bitrate 9800 kbps
[02:16:57]    + frame rate: 23.976 fps -> variable fps
[02:16:57]    + loose anamorphic
[02:16:57]      + storage dimensions: 720 * 480 -> 720 * 464, crop 8/12/0/0
[02:16:57]      + pixel aspect ratio: 43 / 36
[02:16:57]      + display dimensions: 860 * 464
[02:16:57]    + color space: ITU Bt.601 (SD)
[02:16:57]    + filters
[02:16:57]      + Detelecine (pullup) (default settings)
[02:16:57]      + Deinterlaces selectively with yadif/mcdeint and lowpass5 blending (1:2:6:9:80:16:16)
[02:16:57]    + encoder: x264
[02:16:57]      + options: ref=3:mixed-refs=1:bframes=3:weightb=1:direct=auto:no-fast-pskip=1:me=umh:subq=7:analyse=all:b-adapt=2
[02:16:57]      + quality: 0.62
[02:16:57]  * subtitle track 0, English (id 20bd)
[02:16:57]  * audio track 0
[02:16:57]    + decoder: English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 1, id 80bd)
[02:16:57]      + bitrate: 448 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[02:16:57]    + mixdown: Dolby Pro Logic II
[02:16:57]    + encoder: faac
[02:16:57]      + bitrate: 128 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[02:16:57]  * audio track 1
[02:16:57]    + decoder: English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 1, id 80bd)
[02:16:57]      + bitrate: 448 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[02:16:57]    + AC3 passthrough
[02:16:57] yadif thread started for segment 0
[02:16:57] yadif thread started for segment 1
[02:16:57] decomb thread started for segment 0
[02:16:57] decomb thread started for segment 1
[02:16:57] encx264: keyint-min: 24, keyint-max: 240
[02:16:57] encx264: encoding with stored aspect 43/36
[02:16:57] encx264: Encoding at constant RF 19.379999
x264 [info]: using SAR=43/36
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 Cache64
No accelerated IMDCT transform found
No accelerated IMDCT transform found
[02:16:57] sync: expecting 172179 video frames
[02:16:58] reader: first SCR 146
[02:16:58] a52_syncinfo failed
[02:16:58] a52_syncinfo ok
[02:16:58] a52_syncinfo failed
[02:16:58] a52_syncinfo ok
[02:16:58] mpeg2: "Chapter  1" (1) at frame 0 time 3003
[02:16:59] 0.066733s: Film -> Video
[02:16:59] sync: first pts is 3003
[02:16:59] sync: video time didn't advance - dropped 10 frames (delta 325 ms, current 42042, next 42792, dur 750)
[02:17:03] 7.899544s: Video -> Film
[02:29:02] 417.825745s: Film -> Video
[02:29:04] mpeg2: "Chapter  2" (2) at frame 10105 time 37694406
[02:29:04] 418.976898s: Video -> Film
[02:38:19] mpeg2: "Chapter  3" (3) at frame 17028 time 63679365
[02:49:46] mpeg2: "Chapter  4" (4) at frame 25601 time 95859513
[03:09:08] mpeg2: "Chapter  5" (5) at frame 38321 time 143607213
[03:15:05] mpeg2: "Chapter  6" (6) at frame 43145 time 161715303
[03:24:42] mpeg2: "Chapter  7" (7) at frame 50045 time 187616178
[03:31:25] mpeg2: "Chapter  8" (8) at frame 55536 time 208228770
[03:42:16] mpeg2: "Chapter  9" (9) at frame 64009 time 240033543
[03:49:53] mpeg2: "Chapter 10" (10) at frame 69620 time 261096585
[04:03:04] 3304.876465s: Film -> Video
[04:03:07] mpeg2: "Chapter 11" (11) at frame 79333 time 297531984
[04:03:07] 3305.910645s: Video -> Film
[04:10:56] mpeg2: "Chapter 12" (12) at frame 85298 time 319922352
[04:24:00] mpeg2: "Chapter 13" (13) at frame 94470 time 354351747
[04:37:22] mpeg2: "Chapter 14" (14) at frame 105038 time 394021377
[04:42:53] mpeg2: "Chapter 15" (15) at frame 109610 time 411183522
[04:53:35] mpeg2: "Chapter 16" (16) at frame 118002 time 442684992
[05:01:18] mpeg2: "Chapter 17" (17) at frame 124222 time 466033317
[05:17:26] mpeg2: "Chapter 18" (18) at frame 137532 time 515994228
[05:31:22] mpeg2: "Chapter 19" (19) at frame 146988 time 551489688
[05:49:23] mpeg2: "Chapter 20" (20) at frame 161011 time 604129275
[05:55:51] dvd: end of cell 21 at block 3085285
[05:55:51] reader: done. 2 scr changes
[05:55:54] mpeg2: "Chapter 21" (21) at frame 172374 time 646783884
[05:55:55] sync: got 172364 frames, 172179 expected
[05:55:55] work: average encoding speed for job is 13.121031 fps
[05:55:56] mpeg2 done: 172375 frames
[05:55:56] render: lost time: 49552 (16 frames)
[05:55:56] render: gained time: 49552 (64 frames) (0 not accounted for)
[05:55:56] render: average dropped frame duration: 3097
x264 [info]: slice I:1967  Avg QP:16.64  size: 37298  PSNR Mean Y:46.99 U:50.85 V:50.20 Avg:47.60 Global:46.75
x264 [info]: slice P:68698 Avg QP:18.61  size: 12691  PSNR Mean Y:44.97 U:50.10 V:49.18 Avg:45.57 Global:44.44
x264 [info]: slice B:101679 Avg QP:21.22  size:  3769  PSNR Mean Y:43.70 U:49.93 V:49.05 Avg:44.42 Global:43.74
x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames:  4.8% 27.5% 57.6% 10.0%
x264 [info]: mb I  I16..4: 17.9%  0.0% 82.1%
x264 [info]: mb P  I16..4:  1.7%  0.0%  7.4%  P16..4: 42.5% 22.6% 15.9%  0.6%  0.2%    skip: 9.1%
x264 [info]: mb B  I16..4:  0.2%  0.0%  1.3%  B16..8: 45.5%  2.4%  3.6%  direct: 5.0%  skip:42.0%  L0:31.0% L1:57.6% BI:11.4%
x264 [info]: direct mvs  spatial:98.8%  temporal:1.2%
x264 [info]: ref P L0  81.5% 11.4%  7.2%
x264 [info]: ref B L0  91.1%  8.9%
x264 [info]: SSIM Mean Y:0.9833616
x264 [info]: PSNR Mean Y:44.243 U:50.005 V:49.113 Avg:44.919 Global:44.030 kb/s:1478.54
[05:55:56] decomb: yadif deinterlaced 0 | blend deinterlaced 1 | unfiltered 172346 | total 172347
[05:55:56] libhb: work result = 0


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HandBrake Activity Log for /Volumes/Movies/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY.m4v: 2008-11-12 20:33:46 -0600

[20:33:46] macgui: Rip: Pending queue count is 0
[20:33:46] macgui: Rip: No pending jobs, so sending this one to doAddToQueue
[20:33:46] macgui: Rip: Going right to performNewQueueScan
[20:33:46] macgui: scanning specifically for title: 1
[20:33:46] macgui: performNewQueueScan currentQueueEncodeIndex is: 0
[20:33:46] hb_scan: path=/Volumes/Encode/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY, title_index=1
[20:33:46] scan: trying to open with libdvdread
[20:33:46] scan: DVD has 22 title(s)
[20:33:46] scan: scanning title 1
[20:33:46] scan: opening IFO for VTS 1
[20:33:46] pgc_id: 1, pgn: 1: pgc: 0x1a038be0
[20:33:46] scan: vts=1, ttn=1, cells=0->21, blocks=0->3085289, 3085290 blocks
[20:33:46] scan: duration is 01:59:40 (7180310 ms)
[20:33:46] scan: checking audio 1
[20:33:46] scan: id=80bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng ext=0
[20:33:46] scan: checking audio 2
[20:33:46] scan: id=81bd, lang=Espanol (AC3), 3cc=spa ext=0
[20:33:46] scan: checking audio 3
[20:33:46] scan: id=82bd, lang=Francais (AC3), 3cc=fra ext=0
[20:33:46] scan: checking audio 4
[20:33:46] scan: id=83bd, lang=English (AC3) (Visually Impaired), 3cc=eng ext=2
[20:33:46] scan: checking audio 5
[20:33:46] scan: id=84bd, lang=English (AC3) (Director's Commentary 1), 3cc=eng ext=3
[20:33:46] scan: checking audio 6
[20:33:46] scan: id=85bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng ext=0
[20:33:46] scan: checking subtitle 1
[20:33:46] scan: id=20bd, lang=English, 3cc=eng
[20:33:46] scan: checking subtitle 2
[20:33:46] scan: id=21bd, lang=Espanol, 3cc=spa
[20:33:46] scan: checking subtitle 3
[20:33:46] scan: id=22bd, lang=Francais, 3cc=fra
[20:33:46] scan: checking subtitle 4
[20:33:46] scan: id=23bd, lang=English (Director's Commentary), 3cc=eng
[20:33:46] scan: checking subtitle 5
[20:33:46] scan: id=24bd, lang=Espanol, 3cc=spa
[20:33:46] scan: checking subtitle 6
[20:33:46] scan: id=25bd, lang=Francais, 3cc=fra
[20:33:46] scan: title 1 has 21 chapters
[20:33:46] scan: chap 1 c=0->0, b=0->183934 (183935), 418425 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 2 c=1->1, b=183935->310491 (126557), 288343 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 3 c=2->2, b=310492->468534 (158043), 357489 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 4 c=3->3, b=468535->701724 (233190), 530430 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 5 c=4->4, b=701725->791058 (89334), 201163 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 6 c=5->5, b=791059->917461 (126403), 287409 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 7 c=6->6, b=917462->1018058 (100597), 228338 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 8 c=7->7, b=1018059->1173761 (155703), 353319 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 9 c=8->8, b=1173762->1276533 (102772), 233342 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 10 c=9->9, b=1276534->1454013 (177480), 404438 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 11 c=10->10, b=1454014->1563305 (109292), 248411 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 12 c=11->11, b=1563306->1731060 (167755), 382476 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 13 c=12->13, b=1731061->1924360 (193300), 439396 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 14 c=14->14, b=1924361->2005604 (81244), 190330 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 15 c=15->15, b=2005605->2154103 (148499), 349303 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 16 c=16->16, b=2154104->2264247 (110144), 259376 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 17 c=17->17, b=2264248->2499449 (235202), 554692 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 18 c=18->18, b=2499450->2666558 (167109), 394319 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 19 c=19->19, b=2666559->2915362 (248804), 584774 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 20 c=20->20, b=2915363->3085284 (169922), 473527 ms
[20:33:46] scan: chap 21 c=21->21, b=3085285->3085289 (5), 1000 ms
[20:33:46] scan: aspect = 0
[20:33:46] scan: decoding previews for title 1
[20:33:46] scan: audio 0x80bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=448000 English (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[20:33:46] scan: audio 0x81bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=384000 Espanol (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[20:33:46] scan: audio 0x82bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=384000 Francais (AC3) (5.1 ch)
[20:33:46] scan: audio 0x83bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=192000 English (AC3) (Visually Impaired) (Dolby Surround)
[20:33:46] scan: audio 0x84bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=192000 English (AC3) (Director's Commentary 1) (Dolby Surround)
[20:33:46] scan: audio 0x85bd: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=192000 English (AC3) (Dolby Surround)
[20:33:46] 639.452515s: Video -> Film
[20:33:46] scan: 10 previews, 720x480, 23.976 fps, autocrop = 8/12/0/0, aspect 16:9, PAR 32:27
[20:33:46] scan: title (0) job->width:720, job->height:384
[20:33:46] libhb: scan thread found 1 valid title(s)
[20:33:46] macgui: ScanDone state received from fQueueEncodeLibhb
[20:33:46] macgui: processNewQueueEncode title list is: 1
[20:33:46] macgui: Preset: AppleTV 2.x DVD Source (Post-PsyRDO)
[20:33:46] macgui: processNewQueueEncode number of passes expected is: 1
[20:33:46] macgui: prepareJob audiotrack 2 is: 0
[20:33:46] macgui: prepareJob exiting
[20:33:46] 2 job(s) to process
[20:33:46] starting job
[20:33:46] job configuration:
[20:33:46]  * source
[20:33:46]    + /Volumes/Encode/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY
[20:33:46]    + title 1, chapter(s) 1 to 21
[20:33:46]  * destination
[20:33:46]    + /Volumes/Movies/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY.m4v
[20:33:46]    + container: MPEG-4 (.mp4 and .m4v)
[20:33:46]      + 64-bit formatting
[20:33:46]      + chapter markers
[20:33:46]  * video track
[20:33:46]    + decoder: mpeg2
[20:33:46]      + bitrate 9800 kbps
[20:33:46]    + frame rate: 23.976 fps -> variable fps
[20:33:46]    + loose anamorphic
[20:33:46]      + storage dimensions: 720 * 480 -> 720 * 464, crop 8/12/0/0
[20:33:46]      + pixel aspect ratio: 43 / 36
[20:33:46]      + display dimensions: 860 * 464
[20:33:46]    + color space: ITU Bt.601 (SD)
[20:33:46]    + filters
[20:33:46]      + Detelecine (pullup) (default settings)
[20:33:46]      + Deinterlaces selectively with yadif/mcdeint and lowpass5 blending (1:2:6:9:80:16:16)
[20:33:46]  * subtitle track 0, English (id 20bd)
[20:33:46]  * subtitle track 0, English (Director's Commentary) (id 23bd)
[20:33:46] sync: expecting 172179 video frames
[20:33:46] yadif thread started for segment 0
[20:33:46] yadif thread started for segment 1
[20:33:46] decomb thread started for segment 0
[20:33:46] decomb thread started for segment 1
[20:33:46] reader: first SCR 146
[20:36:03] dvd: end of cell 21 at block 3085285
[20:36:03] reader: done. 2 scr changes
[20:36:03] sync: got 0 frames, 172179 expected
[20:36:03] work: average encoding speed for job is 0.000000 fps
[20:36:03] mpeg2 done: 0 frames
[20:36:03] render: lost time: 0 (0 frames)
[20:36:03] render: gained time: 0 (0 frames) (0 not accounted for)
[20:36:03] Subtitle stream 0x20bd 'English': 2554 hits (19321 forced)
[20:36:03] Subtitle stream 0x23bd 'English (Director's Commentary)': 4393 hits (281 forced)
[20:36:03] Found a subtitle candidate id 0x20bd (contains forced subs)
[20:36:03] decomb: yadif deinterlaced 0 | blend deinterlaced 0 | unfiltered 0 | total 0
[20:36:03] starting job
[20:36:03] job configuration:
[20:36:03]  * source
[20:36:03]    + /Volumes/Encode/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY
[20:36:03]    + title 1, chapter(s) 1 to 21
[20:36:03]  * destination
[20:36:03]    + /Volumes/Movies/HELLBOY_II_THE_GOLDEN_ARMY.m4v
[20:36:03]    + container: MPEG-4 (.mp4 and .m4v)
[20:36:03]      + 64-bit formatting
[20:36:03]      + chapter markers
[20:36:03]  * video track
[20:36:03]    + decoder: mpeg2
[20:36:03]      + bitrate 9800 kbps
[20:36:03]    + frame rate: 23.976 fps -> variable fps
[20:36:03]    + loose anamorphic
[20:36:03]      + storage dimensions: 720 * 480 -> 720 * 464, crop 8/12/0/0
[20:36:03]      + pixel aspect ratio: 43 / 36
[20:36:03]      + display dimensions: 860 * 464
[20:36:03]    + color space: ITU Bt.601 (SD)
[20:36:03]    + filters
[20:36:03]      + Detelecine (pullup) (default settings)
[20:36:03]      + Deinterlaces selectively with yadif/mcdeint and lowpass5 blending (1:2:6:9:80:16:16)
[20:36:03]    + encoder: x264
[20:36:03]      + options: ref=3:mixed-refs=1:bframes=3:weightb=1:direct=auto:no-fast-pskip=1:me=umh:subq=9:analyse=all:b-adapt=2:cabac=1:trellis=1:psy-rd=1,1
[20:36:03]      + quality: 0.62
[20:36:03]  * subtitle track 0, English (id 20bd)
[20:36:03]  * audio track 0
[20:36:03]    + decoder: English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 1, id 80bd)
[20:36:03]      + bitrate: 448 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[20:36:03]    + mixdown: Dolby Pro Logic II
[20:36:03]    + encoder: faac
[20:36:03]      + bitrate: 128 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[20:36:03]  * audio track 1
[20:36:03]    + decoder: English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 1, id 80bd)
[20:36:03]      + bitrate: 448 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[20:36:03]    + AC3 passthrough
[20:36:03] yadif thread started for segment 0
[20:36:03] yadif thread started for segment 1
[20:36:03] decomb thread started for segment 0
[20:36:03] decomb thread started for segment 1
[20:36:04] encx264: keyint-min: 24, keyint-max: 240
[20:36:04] encx264: encoding with stored aspect 43/36
[20:36:04] encx264: Encoding at constant RF 19.379999
x264 [info]: using SAR=43/36
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 Cache64
No accelerated IMDCT transform found
No accelerated IMDCT transform found
[20:36:04] sync: expecting 172179 video frames
[20:36:06] reader: first SCR 146
[20:36:06] a52_syncinfo failed
[20:36:06] a52_syncinfo failed
[20:36:06] a52_syncinfo ok
[20:36:06] a52_syncinfo ok
[20:36:06] mpeg2: "Chapter  1" (1) at frame 0 time 3003
[20:36:06] 0.066733s: Film -> Video
[20:36:06] sync: first pts is 3003
[20:36:06] sync: video time didn't advance - dropped 10 frames (delta 325 ms, current 42042, next 42792, dur 750)
[20:36:10] 7.899544s: Video -> Film
[20:53:23] 417.825745s: Film -> Video
[20:53:26] mpeg2: "Chapter  2" (2) at frame 10105 time 37694406
[20:53:26] 418.976898s: Video -> Film
[21:06:35] mpeg2: "Chapter  3" (3) at frame 17028 time 63679365
[21:22:46] mpeg2: "Chapter  4" (4) at frame 25601 time 95859513
[21:51:10] mpeg2: "Chapter  5" (5) at frame 38321 time 143607213
[21:59:27] mpeg2: "Chapter  6" (6) at frame 43145 time 161715303
[22:11:42] mpeg2: "Chapter  7" (7) at frame 50045 time 187616178
[22:20:44] mpeg2: "Chapter  8" (8) at frame 55536 time 208228770
[22:35:45] mpeg2: "Chapter  9" (9) at frame 64009 time 240033543
[22:46:32] mpeg2: "Chapter 10" (10) at frame 69620 time 261096585
[23:05:09] 3304.876465s: Film -> Video
[23:05:13] mpeg2: "Chapter 11" (11) at frame 79333 time 297531984
[23:05:13] 3305.910645s: Video -> Film
[23:16:08] mpeg2: "Chapter 12" (12) at frame 85298 time 319922352
[23:35:01] mpeg2: "Chapter 13" (13) at frame 94470 time 354351747
[23:53:18] mpeg2: "Chapter 14" (14) at frame 105038 time 394021377
[00:00:45] mpeg2: "Chapter 15" (15) at frame 109610 time 411183522
[00:15:38] mpeg2: "Chapter 16" (16) at frame 118002 time 442684992
[00:26:12] mpeg2: "Chapter 17" (17) at frame 124222 time 466033317
[00:48:08] mpeg2: "Chapter 18" (18) at frame 137532 time 515994228
[01:08:19] mpeg2: "Chapter 19" (19) at frame 146988 time 551489688
[01:33:16] mpeg2: "Chapter 20" (20) at frame 161011 time 604129275
[01:40:35] dvd: end of cell 21 at block 3085285
[01:40:35] reader: done. 2 scr changes
[01:40:38] mpeg2: "Chapter 21" (21) at frame 172374 time 646783884
[01:40:38] sync: got 172364 frames, 172179 expected
[01:40:38] work: average encoding speed for job is 9.432731 fps
[01:40:40] mpeg2 done: 172375 frames
[01:40:40] render: lost time: 49552 (16 frames)
[01:40:40] render: gained time: 49552 (64 frames) (0 not accounted for)
[01:40:40] render: average dropped frame duration: 3097
x264 [info]: slice I:1967  Avg QP:16.63  size: 47584  PSNR Mean Y:46.49 U:52.09 V:51.52 Avg:47.46 Global:46.72
x264 [info]: slice P:68698 Avg QP:18.52  size: 19288  PSNR Mean Y:44.80 U:50.88 V:50.06 Avg:45.62 Global:44.60
x264 [info]: slice B:101679 Avg QP:21.16  size:  5146  PSNR Mean Y:43.72 U:50.52 V:49.72 Avg:44.57 Global:43.97
x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames:  4.8% 27.5% 57.6% 10.0%
x264 [info]: mb I  I16..4: 21.3%  0.0% 78.7%
x264 [info]: mb P  I16..4:  2.3%  0.0%  7.2%  P16..4: 37.7% 24.3% 19.2%  0.7%  0.3%    skip: 8.4%
x264 [info]: mb B  I16..4:  0.2%  0.0%  1.1%  B16..8: 33.3%  2.5%  3.6%  direct: 6.5%  skip:52.8%  L0:27.8% L1:37.4% BI:34.8%
x264 [info]: direct mvs  spatial:99.4%  temporal:0.6%
x264 [info]: ref P L0  79.0% 12.5%  8.4%
x264 [info]: ref B L0  89.0% 11.0%
x264 [info]: SSIM Mean Y:0.9833130
x264 [info]: PSNR Mean Y:44.179 U:50.680 V:49.881 Avg:45.020 Global:44.234 kb/s:2161.23
[01:40:40] decomb: yadif deinterlaced 0 | blend deinterlaced 1 | unfiltered 172346 | total 172347
[01:40:40] libhb: work result = 0


The bottom image includes trellis=1:psy-rd=1,1. While you can tell that there is more detail, you also get a significant bloat. I this case 1.72GB vs 2.29GB.

[rhester]

Can I tell a difference? Yes.

Is it material with frames in motion? Not in the least.

Just my $0.02 - no way would I accept the additional increase in bitrate/filesize for details I can only see by tweening between still frames. If I were that anal-retentive, I'd consider MPEG-2 an abomination. (Oh, wait, that's right...I do.

Rodney

[Cavalicious]

Yeah, I think I'm with you there. I don't think I can overlook the bloat.

[djdeejay]

Ok - well im back and have done losts of testing with the latest SVN's since.

The MKV bug still exists for me (and others) on a number of sources but thats not for this thread...

Two things ive found with latest settings and encodes.

Im not getting smooth fades at all. Most notiably white text fading in and out on a black background. Its as if Handbrake is droping lots of frames here...and the fade out is happening with 3 frames instead of 30...so it goes, white, grey, gone...very jerky.

All my DVDs are Pal material if that makes any diference, but I also noticed pans can be quite jerky, as if i had a NTSC based film or other - I know its not 24fps materal and maybe the original DVD is like that - but landscape pans im sure are made worse by the encodes.

The settings im using as as follows.

For DVD...

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bframes=6:ref=3:mixed-refs=1:subq=8:me=umh:no-fast-pskip=1:direct=auto:merange=24:vbv-maxrate=4900:vbv-bufsize=3500:weightb=1

Im still use maxrate because i found encodes were not as good for me without it. I was testing between Dynaflashs original advanced settings and the new advanced settings he created around the time of snapshot 2 - and i was getting better results for the same file size with snapshot 3 using the original settings. So i adapted them a bit and came u wp with the above.

Subq can be anywhere between 7 and 9, depending on how good the source material is and how much i care about it to dedicate more encoding time for it within my library.

For proper HD (not compresed HDTV) material im using

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ref=3:mixed-refs=1:bframes=6:direct=auto:no-fast-pskip=1:me=umh:subq=8:analyse=all:vbv-maxrate=4800:vbv-bufsize=3500:cabac=0

Yes yes, i know cabac is not supposed to be off in this thread - but tough...for REAL Hd sources it just doesn't play smoothly enough. HDTV its fine - but if i use a 1080p blu-ray source unless i put the CRF slider at about 56% it will not play back smoothly on my ATV and 56% gives me a grainy worse than SD result.

The trouble with the above settings is it still maxes out the bitrate - and even though im streaming over a 300mbps Wireless N network with my ATV connected to the router by ethernet it still stuggles to play these files unless they are synced to the hard drive which is a shame. Its hit a miss though, some play fine - others are just too bulky to stream - maybe cabac would help with this - and maybe cabac with subq 9, a lower max rater and a setting of 58% would be the happy medium between the two.

But for me, to Dynaflash and others the question would be - how or if, do you get your white writing to fade like source?

[cvk_b]

The trouble with the above settings is it still maxes out the bitrate - and even though im streaming over a 300mbps Wireless N network with my ATV connected to the router by ethernet it still stuggles to play these files unless they are synced to the hard drive which is a shame. Its hit a miss though, some play fine - others are just too bulky to stream -

perhaps you could raise quantizer minimum. also, why not adaptive bframes?

[djdeejay]

The trouble with the above settings is it still maxes out the bitrate - and even though im streaming over a 300mbps Wireless N network with my ATV connected to the router by ethernet it still stuggles to play these files unless they are synced to the hard drive which is a shame. Its hit a miss though, some play fine - others are just too bulky to stream -

perhaps you could raise quantizer minimum. also, why not adaptive bframes?

What exact code settings would you recommend as a starting point with them cvk?

I'll modify my HD setting and try a couple of encodes with it see what happens.

[cvk_b]

What exact code settings would you recommend as a starting point with them cvk?

We can't jack their thread. Check your pm...

[brakestands]

Dynaflash,

I was with you on Snapshot 3 and having pretty good luck with the settings you were using at the time. Just noticed that we now have 0.9.3 out, so of course I couldn't wait and took the official release update! In catching up on postings in the last 3 weeks or so, it would seem that you've changed your recommended advanced atv settings lately, based on new findings.

So, kind sir, what are your current settings that you are finding the greatest quality with for standard DVD's? And would these be relevant to 0.9.3 or only older versions?

Thanks as always for the pioneering work.

-Brian

[PieGroe]

Dynaflash - An additional question when you respond back to "brakestands" can you set "psy-rd=1,1" using the mac gui or is it a cli option only, (sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have not seen much on it expect bits and pieces in the forum, since I do not believe the wiki has been updated to explain it for us - boy I hope I did not miss it when I looked).

Also thank you and everybody else on the release of 0.93 - all you folks are the best.

[jzietman]

Dynaflash - An additional question when you respond back to "brakestands" can you set "psy-rd=1,1" using the mac gui or is it a cli option only, (sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have not seen much on it expect bits and pieces in the forum, since I do not believe the wiki has been updated to explain it for us - boy I hope I did not miss it when I looked).

Also thank you and everybody else on the release of 0.93 - all you folks are the best.

Just add "psy-rd=1,1" (w/o the "" marks) to the x264 options string in the advanced tab. you'll see others in there, too; just separate them with a colon (:)

[dynaflash]

So, kind sir, what are your current settings that you are finding the greatest quality with for standard DVD's? And would these be relevant to 0.9.3 or only older versions?

With HB 0.9.3 and 62% crf I am using:

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ref=3:mixed-refs=1:bframes=3:weightb=1:direct=auto:no-fast-pskip=1:me=umh:subq=6:analyse=all:b-adapt=2

So far have not had any stuttering at all on atv 2.3 synced. Decent balance of speed and file size. For my part I feel its pretty much sd dvd source transparent. Could probably play with 60 - 61 % on the crf if you want, but for me this has been solid. Use it every day.

[djdeejay]

Dynaflash any comment on the strangeness im getting with white writing fading in and out on black background?

Are these sequences smooth for you?

[Abulia]

After a six month (or so) sabattical of encoding I saw that 0.9.3 was released and had to try it out. Of course Cav is leading the charge still! I'm having to get caught back up on the encoding lingo again.

Using dynaflash's settings directly above I was greatly impressed with the output on my ATV; file sizes seemed to also be about 20-25% smaller. But the thing that really surprised me was the end to stuttering. Using the "old problem child" of HP:OotP and the first scene, 0.9.3's encode was stutter free. Same response with the crane fight scene in Casino Royale, previously a trouble spot with my earlier encodes.

I'm going to run some more encodes tonight (and screenshots) but the only issue I *think* I'm having are what appear to be very slightly washed out colors, similar to what Cav noticed above. Any ideas on where to start there?

For reference I stream to my ATV over 802.11N from my WHS NAS and a shared iTunes datastore.

Oh, and I also saw the not-so-smooth transition that djdeejay saw (HPOotP scene 1 goes from black to white in opening) on my encode. Only slightly jarring if you know to look for it.

[dynaflash]

Dynaflash any comment on the strangeness im getting with white writing fading in and out on black background?
Are these sequences smooth for you?

Gonna have to look for it. Nothing that jumped out at me. But will check it out. Maybe a side effect of psy-rdo ?

[vidjock]

Man Handbrake is the best! With all the improvements in 0.9.3 IMHO there is no better encode tool.
My settings that have been rock solid since just after PsyRDO hit the svn and still are with 0.9.3

CRF 64 (A little high, but works for me)
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I stream all my movies to my apple tv from my 1 TB timecapsule and they are smooth as silk. I have done a lot of testing turning on the old trellis and have found that it slows down the encode and adds no quality that I can see. I use to use VBV to keep the bit rates under control, but have found that it is no longer necessary. High action scenes no longer stutter, at least none that I have encoded.